Re: Coordination, maximizing terror, hypotheses (fwd)
At 06:03 PM 9/12/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl forwarded:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:49:13 -0500 From: Jeff Bone <jbone@jump.net> To: Robert S. Thau <rst@ai.mit.edu>, fork@xent.com Subject: Coordination, maximizing terror, hypotheses
* The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state involvement. I understand that the part of the Pentagon that was hit houses the nerve center for the Army's worldwide logistics command. It appears that
It was one of the worst places to hit; the offices were under construction and not everyone had moved in yet.
this part of the building was intentionally targeted, as the plane apparently performed an overshoot-and-return maneuver in order to line up with the south side of the building, whereas it could've gone into the opposite side with no such maneuver. A small, highly-mobile group of perps wouldn't be concerned
This is nonsense, and shows how seriously we should take the rest of the message. I was at the Pentagon yesterday; the plane did not hit the south side. (Photos at mccullagh.org).
* Our own forces may have shot down the plane over Pennsylvania. Dick Armey was giving an interview last night, and after being asked leading questions by Wolf Blitzer he started making comments about being given a classified briefing with information specifically about that plane. The interview was then censored, with sound edited out for about 30 seconds.
I pulled a transcript from Lexis-Nexis. Here's what Armey said in response to the Pennsylvania question, (AUDIO GAP) in the original: ARMEY: Well we learned some things about that. At this point the information is classified. It is clear that we to have had a good investigation going forward. We are gathering information, there is a (AUDIO GAP) confidentiality on what we know, but we do know that this is a serious premeditated crime, and I can say without any doubt or hesitation it's an international crime. Did he 'fess up? I doubt it. Armey is a savvy political operator and gets classified briefings probably once a week or so. It's unlikely he'd cough up confidential material now (he hasn't before) -- it was ~12 hours after the attack happened, so he had time to reflect and digest it.
I think this could well be an "open secret" that the media has been let in on but gagged about in
Nope. -Declan (a MOTM)
Declan McCullagh wrote:
* The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state involvement. I understand that the part of the Pentagon that was hit houses the nerve center for the Army's worldwide logistics command. It appears that
It was one of the worst places to hit; the offices were under construction and not everyone had moved in yet.
I wonder if they knew that, though...
this part of the building was intentionally targeted, as the plane apparently performed an overshoot-and-return maneuver in order to line up with the south side of the building, whereas it could've gone into the opposite side with no such maneuver. A small, highly-mobile group of perps wouldn't be concerned
This is nonsense,
Just thinking out loud, here, not asserting anything.
and shows how seriously we should take the rest of the message. I was at the Pentagon yesterday; the plane did not hit the south side. (Photos at mccullagh.org).
Strictly speaking, there's not a "south side" as far as I know; the plane hit the side between the Mall entrance and the south parking area, which IIRC faces roughly southwest and parallel's Route 27. That's what I gather from the news I've heard anyway...
ARMEY: Well we learned some things about that. At this point the information is classified. It is clear that we to have had a good investigation going forward. We are gathering information, there is a (AUDIO GAP) confidentiality on what we know, but we do know that this is a serious premeditated crime, and I can say without any doubt or hesitation it's an international crime.
Did he 'fess up? I doubt it. Armey is a savvy political operator and gets classified briefings probably once a week or so. It's unlikely he'd cough up confidential material now (he hasn't before) -- it was ~12 hours after the attack happened, so he had time to reflect and digest it.
I'm not suggesting that he fessed up without intending to, just that the gag order may have been extended, reinstated, or whatever. jb
At 12:47 PM 9/12/01 -0500, Jeff Bone wrote:
This is nonsense,
Just thinking out loud, here, not asserting anything.
Fair enough.
and shows how seriously we should take the rest of the
message. I was at the Pentagon yesterday; the plane did not hit the south side. (Photos at mccullagh.org).
Strictly speaking, there's not a "south side" as far as I know; the plane hit the side between the Mall entrance and the south parking area, which IIRC faces roughly southwest and parallel's Route 27. That's what I gather from the news I've heard anyway...
Of course there's a south (or very close to a south) side to a building that has five of them. I put some photos I took yesterday up at mccullagh.org; the attack hit on the north (maybe you could call it northeast) side.
I'm not suggesting that he fessed up without intending to, just that the gag order may have been extended, reinstated, or whatever.
After Armey allegedly told this to CNN's largest audience in a decade? I doubt it. -Declan
At 12:47 PM 9/12/2001 -0500, Jeff Bone wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote: ? wrote: (I'm too lazy to look it up, with all the lists posted to it doesn't seem worth the bother)
* The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state involvement. I understand that the part of the Pentagon that was hit houses the nerve center for the Army's worldwide logistics command. It appears that
It was one of the worst places to hit;
Depends on how you look at it - why the u-turn?
the offices were under construction and not everyone had moved in yet.
I wonder if they knew that, though...
Impossible to know at this point, maybe impossible to know forever. Reese
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