[Ed: if we're taking bets, i'm guessing usability/simplicity for operating an exit (3.1) are 80% of the battle.] http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/incentives.txt Tor Incentives Design Brainstorms 1. Goals: what do we want to achieve with an incentive scheme? 1.1. Encourage users to provide good relay service (throughput, latency). 1.2. Encourage users to allow traffic to exit the Tor network from their node. ...
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 01:30:16PM -0800, coderman wrote:
[Ed: if we're taking bets, i'm guessing usability/simplicity for operating an exit (3.1) are 80% of the battle.]
I'm no longer running an exit because I got tired to be harassed by the police.
http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/incentives.txt
Tor Incentives Design Brainstorms
1. Goals: what do we want to achieve with an incentive scheme?
1.1. Encourage users to provide good relay service (throughput, latency). 1.2. Encourage users to allow traffic to exit the Tor network from their node. ...
-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
I'm no longer running an exit because I got tired to be harassed by the police.
I will never understand what is up with Germany and anonymity. I have been running an exit node here in the US for about 2 years and never so much as received a complaint from my ISP, teh RIAA, or LEO.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:17:35AM -0800, Peter Thoenen wrote:
I'm no longer running an exit because I got tired to be harassed by the police.
Well, being harassed is perhaps overstating it; but since sever other local Tor operators got their (domestic) node seized, and since my last fax/phone contact with the Bundeskriminalamt investigator was about kiddie pr0n I decided to not risk getting my domestic equipment confiscated -- I need it for work. (Also, getting police in your domestic space is never pleasant, I'm told, especially if you share it with innocent third parties). Call me yellow, I guess. On the plus side I'm running a middleman now, and with a better physical security that would have been possible in an anonymous colo (the node suddenly acted very throttled, but the hosters denied it was that, and local transfers were not affected, I wasn't still sure whether the node was tapped, the limit being VPN capacity to some central data gathering place).
I will never understand what is up with Germany and anonymity. I have been running an exit node here in the US for about 2 years and never so much as received a complaint from my ISP, teh RIAA, or LEO.
While no longer the remote-control puppets of totalitarian times, the local folks tend to have a touching belief into authority, which is perhaps a (slowly fading) national trait. Other places vary widely, England is perhaps similiar, Ireland quite different. I could imagine many former Eastern Block countries are also a bit on the authoritarian side. In any case there has been some very ominous developments lately in the Eurozone, especially U.K. and Germany. I'm keeping track of it, which perhaps should be summarized in a special page, and piped through Babelfish. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Wait..is there some way how hard can it be to run a Tor node in another counry? Why do Torrites run them in their own country? In other words, the German exit node operator should run one in the US or Canada, or vice versa. Why wouldn't people do this? Is there any pracical limitation?
From: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> To: Peter Thoenen <eol1@yahoo.com>, coderman@gmail.com, cypherpunks@jfet.org Subject: Re: Tor incentives Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:22:52 +0100
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:17:35AM -0800, Peter Thoenen wrote:
I'm no longer running an exit because I got tired to be harassed by the police.
Well, being harassed is perhaps overstating it; but since sever other local Tor operators got their (domestic) node seized, and since my last fax/phone contact with the Bundeskriminalamt investigator was about kiddie pr0n I decided to not risk getting my domestic equipment confiscated -- I need it for work. (Also, getting police in your domestic space is never pleasant, I'm told, especially if you share it with innocent third parties). Call me yellow, I guess.
On the plus side I'm running a middleman now, and with a better physical security that would have been possible in an anonymous colo (the node suddenly acted very throttled, but the hosters denied it was that, and local transfers were not affected, I wasn't still sure whether the node was tapped, the limit being VPN capacity to some central data gathering place).
I will never understand what is up with Germany and anonymity. I have been running an exit node here in the US for about 2 years and never so much as received a complaint from my ISP, teh RIAA, or LEO.
While no longer the remote-control puppets of totalitarian times, the local folks tend to have a touching belief into authority, which is perhaps a (slowly fading) national trait. Other places vary widely, England is perhaps similiar, Ireland quite different. I could imagine many former Eastern Block countries are also a bit on the authoritarian side.
In any case there has been some very ominous developments lately in the Eurozone, especially U.K. and Germany. I'm keeping track of it, which perhaps should be summarized in a special page, and piped through Babelfish.
-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Wait..is there some way how hard can it be to run a Tor node in another counry? Why do Torrites run them in their own country? In other words, the
I was thinking about renting a colo in .ru and thumbing my nose at the local authorities, but I first need to plug a hemorrhaging hole in my finances. My last deal was a 29 EUR/month 10 MBit/s flat rodent (well, until they started throttling it) which should be hard to get. Any suggestions as to which jurisdiction is best?
German exit node operator should run one in the US or Canada, or vice versa. Why wouldn't people do this? Is there any pracical limitation?
Any decent deals in U.S.? -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Any decent deals in U.S.?
Let me know if you find any. I am paying US$80 month for 3mbs w/ the added features of remote serial access and remote pdu (invaluable for single mode kernel updates). Still US$80 a month is more than I want to pay for 3mbs, especially with everybody moving a gigbit cores ... transit in a colo should be that much.
coderman wrote:
[Ed: if we're taking bets, i'm guessing usability/simplicity for operating an exit (3.1) are 80% of the battle.]
http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/incentives.txt
Tor Incentives Design Brainstorms
1. Goals: what do we want to achieve with an incentive scheme?
1.1. Encourage users to provide good relay service (throughput, latency). 1.2. Encourage users to allow traffic to exit the Tor network from their node. ...
Heh, its called "Economics 101". Get paid traffic, at a higher QoS. "Make money while your computer is idle". Even the free riders will benefit from the self sustaining infrastructure. It even sounds like Robin Hood. Cheers, ---Venkat.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 06:04:24AM -0500, rayservers wrote:
Heh, its called "Economics 101". Get paid traffic, at a higher QoS.
It would be actually a good idea to do agoric load levelling for Tor. Some kind of consensus trust thing, where a node gets periodically benchmarked. The current network is about 1 kNode large, so scaling is currently not an issue.
"Make money while your computer is idle". Even the free riders will benefit from the self sustaining infrastructure. It even sounds like Robin Hood.
-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
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