Well, yeah...there's been a lot of good to come out of the Christian world, including the notion of "unalienable human rights". But it's a worthwhile topic to troll about for a while. If you make a calculation of the number of humans made miserable by greater Christendom (to use a Kierkegaardian term), it probably dwarfs a similar calculation made for other religions, including Stalinism. On the other hand, the Christians learned how to make precise-bore gunpowder weapons earlier than anyone else, so maybe it's just an historic accident. However, fundamentalist forms of Christianity seem to be at the heart of a lot of this Administration's shenannigans (see that Vanity Fair article on Orrin Hatch and you'll be pretty upset...) -TD

From: "Pete Capelli" <pcapelli@capelli.org> Reply-To: "Pete Capelli" <pcapelli@capelli.org> To: <cypherpunks@minder.net> Subject: Re: Freematt's review of "A State of Disobedience" By Tom Kratman Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:06:48 -0500

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And if you look back, it's clear that 99% if not all repression in the US comes from exactly that basis -- all the sex laws, porn laws, drug laws -- the intolerant, hate-filled christian mindset that says sex is bad, mental freedom is bad, pleasure is bad, the wilderness is bad and must be tamed, subjegated, and "civilised", that the environment is for humans alone to exploit, that other religions and cultures are evil and must be suppressed and "rehabilitated" and re-educated as they did with the Indians. Isn't it time for freedom loving people to wake up and start dealing with the basic problem in the world and especially the US -- christianity?

(You left out cancer, AIDS, and supersized happy meals)

Intolerant hate filled christian mind set? How does this differentiate christians from the muslims, jews, native americans (I can't believe you were so insensitive as to call them Indians) or even atheists?

Perhaps we should all give in to the fun-loving stalinist's. They got rid of God, and it worked out well for them (and for human rights, economics, etc etc).

-p

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