I figure this list is as good a place as any if not better to discuss this one. It is off of /. today. Just thinking that these ethos do still apply, in my mind anyway. What needs to happen for them to be true is education of the general population (Yes, I know it is a naive idea.) Perhaps the day will come when a great enough (howvere small it may be) percentage of web users are in f act savvy and somewhat computer educated to manage to circumvent the bonds placed upon them, wether it will be legally or not, the times will decide. --gabe http://www.technologyreview.com/magazine/sep01/mann.asp Taming the Web By Charles C. Mann September 2001 "Information wants to be free." "The Internet can't be controlled." We've heard it so often that we sometimes take for granted that it's true. But THE INTERNET CAN BE CONTROLLED, and those who argue otherwise are hastening the day when it will be controlled too much, by the wrong people, and for the wrong reasons. -- "It's not brave, if you're not scared."
On 14 Aug 2001, at 17:34, Gabriel Rocha wrote:
Taming the Web By Charles C. Mann September 2001
"Information wants to be free." "The Internet can't be controlled." We've heard it so often that we sometimes take for granted that it's true. But THE INTERNET CAN BE CONTROLLED, and those who argue otherwise are hastening the day when it will be controlled too much, by the wrong people, and for the wrong reasons.
I think we've all seen this type of argument before. Interestingly enough, the article offers no support whatsoever for any part of this other than the "the internet can be controlled" part. What dire consequences will come from circumventing bad laws is never addressed in this type of article, at least not in any that I've read. And with good reason: congress has already conclusively demenostrated that they do not have the wisdom and knowledge to make good laws for cyberspace, no way, no how. So let's just take a look at the arguments for the assertion that "the internet can be controlled". The form argument seems to be listing "myths" followed by "refutation by anecdote". I find this a particularly unpersuasive form of argument. I'll go into a little more dtail, probably more than is actually merited. "Myth #1: The internet is too international to be controlled". Refuting anecdote: Swapnet is allegedly based in St. Kitts and Nevis, non-signatories to the WIPO. However, because of limited bandwidth going to the carribean island, their big servers are actually situated in Virginia. I'm unimpressed. as the article points out, access to the islands is being upgraded, and besides, even a relatively slow connection to an uncensorable site can be extremely useful. For example, you could have your legally secure slow connection have pointers to the location of files rather than the files themselves. "Myth #2: The Net is too Interconnected to Control" Refuting Anectdote: Gnutella doesn't scale well, with Bearshare the "peers" aren't really equal, and Freenet is unsearchable. The "point" here is that the majority of lusers still have dialup connections, and are in no position to offer useful services, even if they were willing to. First off, the number of people with persistent, higher speed connections is rapidly increasing and second, this ain't a democracy. It may be true that you would "only" have to shut down 5-10% or so of Bearshare's clients to make the remaining network virtually useless, but I think that's still an enormous number of machines. "Myth #3: The net is too filled with Hackers to control" Refuting Assertion: You can build controls into the hardware, and that can't be hacked. Well, maybe, but that requires people to go out and buy their own straightjackets. Also, it's importnat to remember that information isn't hardware, it's bits. It just takes one person to post a "cracked" file somewhere, and then it doesn't matter whether the attempts to restrict copying are implemented in hardware or software, because the file is no longer recognized as being copy protected. I could rant on, but all this is really only addressing what I consider to be the minor assertion, which is that "you'e going to lose sooner or later, so you might as well give up." The more important assertiion (IMO) is that "the sooner you give up, the better it'll go for you". I haven't seen any support at all offered for this position, and I think the only appropriate reply to it is, "Bullshit". George
-- "It's not brave, if you're not scared."
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