And another excellent quality of cpunks that does indeed impress the world of media bloodthirstiness, is the number of its outstanding writers sent to jail, some repeatedly, for cutting edge taunts of illiterate critics, diseased poobahs and for sure, aesthetic cowards who ever try to pump up their fiction with idiotic pretense of non-fictional earnestness. Now I know its a grave offense to those with gravitas (spit) to ridicule their seriousness of purpose and pretentious judgmentalism, but they pose such easy targets, for all purposes I can see, beg to be made fun of, display abysmal ignorance of what they write, cite spurious authorities for it, remind when it was first, last, and forever written, just cannot forgo wild swings at fantasms, urge close attention to their pulp, deliver sweeping statements as if a world authority, viciously attack untalented writers like themselves, slather the most shallowly manipulating praise ever imaginable, and probably lay awake at night dreaming of triumph, a Nobel Prize or violent heroic death before dishonor. This is what I like about cypherpunks and find repugnant about Cyberia which has produced no jail time for its members, but more advice on how to avoid it than is good for humanity. A refuge for intellectural and corporal cowards, Cyberia, among many other lists, is, but in time that will hopefully change, in particular if I can persuade you and Declan to go over the line all great writers must do to spend jail-time among the winners and stop sucking up to losers who will always remain unimpressed having no judgment worth writing about.
John Young wrote:
And another excellent quality of cpunks...is the number of its outstanding writers sent to jail...
Offhand, I can't think of one outstanding C'punk writer who has gone to jail. Hell, they haven't even put John in jail. S a n d y
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
John Young wrote:
And another excellent quality of cpunks...is the number of its outstanding writers sent to jail...
Offhand, I can't think of one outstanding C'punk writer who has gone to jail. Hell, they haven't even put John in jail.
I think I'm coming to believe the canard about Americans having no sense of irony. And even the one about New York and points East still being more like Europe in some ways than it is like the USA south and west of the Hudson. Of course in JY's case it is sometimes irony that reads as if it has been filtered through the fingers of one who has been to more than one party since he last slept, and has read way too much art history and cultural criticism. A guide to you Pacific People. When us Atlantic People say something with this little twitch in our voice (just listen - there - did you hear it?) we mean the *exact* *opposite* of what we seem to be saying. And when we use this sort of supercilious sneer (pay attention now, it is very subtle) we mean both what we are apparently saying *and* its opposite, simultaneously, the two held in tension in an unstable melange of fractal meaning. It's a Good Life. Ken Brown
At 09:56 AM 10/18/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
John Young wrote:
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A guide to you Pacific People. When us Atlantic People say something with this little twitch in our voice (just listen - there - did you hear it?) we mean the *exact* *opposite* of what we seem to be saying. And when we use this sort of supercilious sneer (pay attention now, it is very subtle) we mean both what we are apparently saying *and* its opposite, simultaneously, the two held in tension in an unstable melange of fractal meaning.
Otherwise known as Cognitive Dissonance. Draw your own conclusions. Reese
Ken Brown wrote:
I think I'm coming to believe the canard about Americans having no sense of irony.
Perhaps MY use of irony is too subtle for someone raised on Monty Python to detect and appreciate. Perhaps this will help: When it comes to florid writing, that John Young is a real goer, hey? (Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.) :'D S a n d y
Sandy wrote:
Perhaps MY use of irony is too subtle for someone raised on Monty Python to detect and appreciate. Perhaps this will help:
When it comes to florid writing, that John Young is a real goer, hey? (Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.) :'D
yes, because obviously the only humour anyone from the UK has ever been exposed to is Monty Python and Carry On... Please don't force me to bring up Seinfeld... Tolan.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:20:23PM -0700, John Young wrote:
And another excellent quality of cpunks that does indeed impress the world of media bloodthirstiness, is the number of its outstanding writers sent to jail, some repeatedly, for
Oh, you're being too generous in Fedpraise. Only one cypherpunk subscriber that I know of is currently in gaol, that's Jim Bell of course, and this list was just one of many fora he frequented. CJ now appears to be on the loose again, showering us with his, um, inimitable prose. Mattd/proffr or a tentacle has plead guilty but is still here. -Declan
Declan unimpressively underwrote:
Oh, you're being too generous in Fedpraise. Only one cypherpunk subscriber that I know of is currently in gaol, that's Jim Bell of course, and this list was just one of many fora he frequented. CJ now appears to be on the loose again, showering us with his, um, inimitable prose. Mattd/proffr or a tentacle has plead guilty but is still here.
The cpunk manditory goal is hyperbole, Declan, newsworthiness, waste not proffering unreasonable restraint else you get Brill-filed. Oops, Br*lled. Headlines are the content misidentified. Watch the initiation here of subject lines. Use k*ll, win a diss. Many went to jail of corporate promises of riches, none to gaol, one a daredevil repeat offender, thanks to you and me and Jessica Wahup, and 60 Minutes, and the Fedparsers of fine literature, paper servants, and lop-sided witness list. If the timeservers had been decently ignored none would have gone to the pokey, none would have believed the promises of riches, but why not when non-jail and the stock market are looking so bleak. All the prime intellects of world-class dissent and fraud are in jail, mostly US federal, and if you're not that tells the full story of who rats. Gnaw, you say, not me.
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