CDR: Re: Zero Knowledge changes business model (press release)
At 7:08 PM -0500 11/1/00, Tim May wrote:
An ordinary little girl using Freedom, the putative target candidate for Freedom, say the ads, is not going to need PipeNet-style traffic padding!!!
A little girl wanting to sell nude digital snapshots of herself for milk(bar) money might. You never can tell what passes for "ordinary" these days. I think ZKS just needs to revamp its "little girl" ads. That should increase their subscri(b/v)er base.
At 7:56 PM -0500 11/1/00, anonymous@openpgp.net wrote:
At 7:08 PM -0500 11/1/00, Tim May wrote:
An ordinary little girl using Freedom, the putative target candidate for Freedom, say the ads, is not going to need PipeNet-style traffic padding!!!
A little girl wanting to sell nude digital snapshots of herself for milk(bar) money might. You never can tell what passes for "ordinary" these days.
I think ZKS just needs to revamp its "little girl" ads. That should increase their subscri(b/v)er base.
Indeed. Some years ago, in 1993, I used an anonymous remailer (I think I used a remailer, but I may have just posted it directly) to advertise a"nude lolita." Just as your example cites. ("Lolitas" being a code word for young girls, snatch, er, natch.) Much gnashing of teeth, much demand that the author be tracked down and prosecuted. I wonder how long a Freedom nym would have lasted? After several days of merriment, I pointed out that that _diagonal_ of my .GIF ASCII text block read: "t H i S i s N O t A r e a L i M a G E," or something similar to this. I just took a PGP-encrypted text block I had laying around, edited it to add the hidden disclaimer, then remailed the alleged "Lolita" to places where the call for censorship would be predictable. I had always planned to someday get a Freedom account and use my "five nyms" for some true tests of how free the free speech they advocate really is. The lack of a Mac version has held me back, as I only have a PC emulator, and I never use it for the Net. Anyone know how well Freedom 1.1 operates under Virtual PC 3.0 running Windows 98 SE with underlying Mac PPP and TCP/IP services? I may still get an account and really go to town with the most outrageous uses I can think of, then report back here on how many nyms lasted for how long. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Tim May wrote:
Anyone know how well Freedom 1.1 operates under Virtual PC 3.0 running Windows 98 SE with underlying Mac PPP and TCP/IP services?
I haven't tried it with VPC on my Mac, but I tried several times (with two different releases) to get it to work with Vmware on a linux box. It was never able to get connected for it's initial config. I could go anywhere else on the net, but once I tried to use Freedom, it not only wouldn't connect to them, but then trashed all my tcp/ip networking until I removed it. Which was surprising, actually -- I think it's the first thing I've found that I couldn't get to work with Vmware. And VPC has been the same, everything I've tried running on it works great, but I didn't bother trying Freedom since I don't need w95 on my Mac, just DOS and w3.1 for some old stuff. OTOH, it might work with VPC -- seems like Vmware has a weirder network setup than VPC, and maybe using a modem might make a big difference too, since VPC can access the modem directly and not get it's tcp/ip connection thru the host OS -- which, if I recall, the Freedom server saw as a proxy and so it puked.
-- At 08:22 PM 11/1/2000 -0500, Tim May wrote:
I had always planned to someday get a Freedom account and use my "five nyms" for some true tests of how free the free speech they advocate really is.
I attempted to do this, but was foiled by bugs. I paid my money, but did not get my nyms. This seems to have been a widespread experience. ZKS denied any problem. I concluded that if I could not trust them, I could not trust their proprietary cryptography, and forgot about it. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 79Not33QUrv6kvtoRfClah4adIOLJIZt2C23ACey 4nB2i8GGZcsW/nRadMBER2tYL63mp4v74YcsvYMJA
At 1:29 AM -0500 11/2/00, James A, Donald wrote:
-- At 08:22 PM 11/1/2000 -0500, Tim May wrote:
I had always planned to someday get a Freedom account and use my "five nyms" for some true tests of how free the free speech they advocate really is.
I attempted to do this, but was foiled by bugs. I paid my money, but did not get my nyms. This seems to have been a widespread experience. ZKS denied any problem. I concluded that if I could not trust them, I could not trust their proprietary cryptography, and forgot about it.
Well, perhaps because of my vociferousness, they sent me five nym coupons (I think that's the term) tonight, gratis, for me to try out for a year. I don't know when I'll set aside the time to try to figure out how to use them, how to avoid the installation problems others have reported, but perhaps in the next few weeks. (There are the issues of running it under Virtual PC 3.0 emulating Windows 98 SE I mentioned. Considering the problems folks have reported of it crashing plain vanilla Windows on plain vanilla Intel hardware, I'm skeptical...we'll see.) I'm leaning toward trying for a controlled experiment, such as it is with only 5 nyms, with my nyms split this way: -- one as the persona of a Zundelsite Holocaust denier, calling in newsgroups for the extermination of the ZOG occupiers and the liquidation of millions of Israeli parasites -- one as the persona of a terrorist attempting to arrange the destruction of the Canadian parliament building while it is in session...maybe with copies "accidentally" sent to various wagonburner politicians. -- one as a young Freedom-using nymph using her new Freedom node to trade pictures of herself doing naughty things -- one as a U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer offering information for sale on Seawolf sailing schedules and design parameters and for a "control": -- one nym asking for help on his U.S. History homework assignment I'll keep you informed. --Tim May...for now! -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 03:10 AM 11/2/00 -0500, Tim May wrote:
-- one as the persona of a terrorist attempting to arrange the destruction of the Canadian parliament building while it is in session...maybe with copies "accidentally" sent to various wagonburner politicians.
Sounds like a job for Klaus! von Future Prime....
-- one as a young Freedom-using nymph using her new Freedom node to trade pictures of herself doing naughty things
Yeah, but everybody will assume that's just a trolling cop :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:14:08PM -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: | | Tim May wrote: | | > Anyone know how well Freedom 1.1 operates under Virtual PC 3.0 | > running Windows 98 SE with underlying Mac PPP and TCP/IP services? | > | | I haven't tried it with VPC on my Mac, but I tried several times (with | two different releases) to get it to work with Vmware on a linux box. It was | never able to get connected for it's initial config. I could go anywhere else | on the net, but once I tried to use Freedom, it not only wouldn't connect to | them, but then trashed all my tcp/ip networking until I removed it. potsmoker@beta.freedom.net reported that some virtual pc environment worked on the Mac for the 1.0 beta. | Which was surprising, actually -- I think it's the first thing I've found | that I couldn't get to work with Vmware. was that 1.0? I had the same problem, 1.1 worked great, and I haven't tested 2.0, since I've been running the native linux code for a while. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume
I had always planned to someday get a Freedom account and use my "five nyms" for some true tests of how free the free speech they advocate really is.
I attempted to do this, but was foiled by bugs. I paid my money, but did not get my nyms. This seems to have been a widespread experience. ZKS denied any problem. I concluded that if I could not trust them, I could not trust their proprietary cryptography, and forgot about it.
The crypto isn't proprietary, see http://opensource.zeroknowledge.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Total Internet Privacy -- get your Freedom Nym at http://www.freedom.net
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Adam Shostack -
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James A, Donald -
Tim May