Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship
Declan McCullagh writes:
I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html) between criticism and treason.
What Ashcroft actually said, from the URL above, was:
We need honest, reasoned debate; not fearmongering. To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil.
The simple fact is that Ashcroft spoke the truth. Such criticisms do erode national unity and diminish resolve. In fact, most critics would fully agree with these goals. Unity and resolve on a national level scare civil libertarians. A unified nation is a rash nation. Democracies should be thoughtful, their actions carefully considered and taken only after due deliberation. Having a thousand voices urging different courses is far safer than a single voice which all obey. Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled threat. Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason. Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd. No Attorney General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government policy is treasonous and should be forbidden. Hard as it may be for the present audience, blinded by their ideology, to see the real world for what it is, any such attempt would be political suicide. Given this reality, there is clearly no real threat in Ashcroft's statement. Instead the critics are intentionally misreading him in order to accomplish exactly those goals he mentions: to sow disunity and weaken resolve. It is nothing more than a rhetorical trick. Let us hold to the truth. Ashcroft is right in his characterization of his critics' goals, and his critics are right to try to achieve those goals. It is misguided to attack Ashcroft by making the false claim that he views criticism as treason. Instead, critics should attack his position that national unity and resolve must be preserved. This would be a substantive debate which would enlighten the American public and raise awareness of important issues. Unfortunately the critics have descended into politically motivated mud-slinging and have deprived Americans of a valuable opportunity.
At 08:20 PM 12/12/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote recently -
Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled threat. Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason. Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd. No Attorney General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government policy is treasonous and should be forbidden.
.. but s/he is apparently unfamiliar with the events described in _United States v. Schenck_ 249 US 47 (1919); _United States v. Debs_ 249 US 211 (1919); _Abrams v. US_ 250 US 616 (1919); and _United States v. Pierce_ 252 US 239 (1920); all of which are US Supreme Court cases upholding convictions of people for the crime of criticizing existing government policy and/or urging noncooperation with war-related activity. There were approximately 2000 prosecutions and 1000 convictions for violations of the speech-related Espionage and Sedition acts during World War I. Nomen quoted Ashcroft as saying "We need honest, reasoned debate; not fearmongering" - but Nomen and Ashcroft's call for debate which occurs after decisions are made and people are jailed, not before, puts them firmly in Beyond the Looking Glass territory, to wit -
`It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,' the Queen remarked.
`What sort of things do YOU remember best?' Alice ventured to ask.
`Oh, things that happened the week after next,' the Queen replied in a careless tone. `For instance, now,' she went on, sticking a large piece of plaster [band-aid] on her finger as she spoke, `there's the King's Messenger. He's in prison now, being punished: and the trial doesn't even begin till next Wednesday: and of course the crime comes last of all.'
`Suppose he never commits the crime?' said Alice.
`That would be all the better, wouldn't it?' the Queen said, as she bound the plaster round her finger with a bit of ribbon. Alice felt there was no denying THAT.
`Of course it would be all the better,' she said: `but it wouldn't be all the better his being punished.'
`You're wrong THERE, at any rate,' said the Queen: `were YOU ever punished?'
`Only for faults,' said Alice.
`And you were all the better for it, I know!' the Queen said triumphantly.
`Yes, but then I HAD done the things I was punished for,' said Alice: `that makes all the difference.'
`But if you HADN'T done them,' the Queen said, `that would have been better still; better, and better, and better!' Her voice went higher with each `better,' till it got quite to a squeak at last.
sound familiar? -- Greg Broiles -- gbroiles@parrhesia.com -- PGP 0x26E4488c or 0x94245961 Eliminate due process, civil rights? It's the Constitution, stupid!
At 8:20 PM +0100 12/12/01, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Let us hold to the truth. Ashcroft is right...
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Unfortunately the critics have descended into politically motivated mud-slinging and have deprived Americans of a valuable opportunity.
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