In addition people looking for AP maps and technical info can also try: http://www.personaltelco.net By agreement among some of the local groups around the country this site is supposed to act as a clearing house for the different groups. It has a fairly good section with AP maps for different areas. http://nocat.net This is the Sonoma County group. I beleive some of the people involved work at O'Reilly so they have emphasized writing technical papers many of which are posted on the site, including the amazingly wonderful Pringles Potato Chip can antenna (be sure to throw the chips outs, don't eat them they taste like cardboard). Jim Windle -- On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:18:16 Trei, Peter wrote:

Two points:

People interested in finding wireless access points, and tech info about the same, should look at

GAWD: http://www.shmoo.com/gawd/ BAWUG: http://www.bawug.org

The Starbucks access points will apparently require Microsoft Wallet, and some kind of charge-per-minute software.

Peter Trei

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---------- From: Eugene Leitl[SMTP:Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:37 AM To: David Honig Cc: Sampo Syreeni; Ray Dillinger; cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: Open 802.11b wireless access points and remailers

On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, David Honig wrote:

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Bear has a point; no matter how you spread or hop, you're an emitter. Shoot anything that radiates from 50 Mhz-IR.

Ultrabroadband is currently hard to triangulate, unless you're part of the network, where TOF mutual triangulation is part of service.

You could triangulate ultrabroadband with an antenna array, but in real life the reflexion and multipath will make it difficult.

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