Re: Assange-WikiLeaks Crypto Arms Call Triple Cross
Cryptome has published more on Assange and WikiLeaks than any other source except for WikiLeaks itself. Few have examined the initiative's whole body of material and promotional enterprise. Now that Assange has cloaked himself and the three others in the cypherpunks/cryptography mantle I think his shit-storm is coming this way. I agree with putting distance between what has happened in cypherpunks Vegas from what is brewing in DoJ. More of that is probably a good thing. That was the purpose of the screed against Assange's insurance entrapment via weak crypto meant to be cracked with leak-fed access. For edification read the JA-WL behavior in the fuller context of cypherpunks and forget the easily dismissed summary. Assange is playing the cypherpunks card for a purpose that deserves scrutiny if for no other reason than to avoid being sucked into his practice of taking credit for wins and shifting blame to others when the chips are down. That is why he proclaims to be a privileged journalist after years of disparaging the corruption of that crowd. Cypherpunks/cryptography vaunting may be part of a past, present or future plea arrangement or more likely a turning of the coat. Where else has this been better predicted than on cypherpunks, yay, even encouraged to cut the deal of ratting on colleagues. At 02:26 PM 12/10/2012, coderman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:10 AM, jd.cypherpunks <jd.cypherpunks@gmail.com>wrote:
So - imo it's not too hard to understand what's going on. First - John isn't insane. Second - read again the first statement.
I think you have to re-read his post and try to understand the underlining context. Try - and try again!
if the screed rings not of truth and substance, your mind may be clouded by bias, or you're asleep at the wheel of life...
funny. After all those years - cpunks know the stories of snitches, deception, false accusation, blood and thunder at every possible level and from every side of all possible coins. Sort of been there done that got the tshirt. Saw JA coming and going from cpunks and these days he (like many before) use 'affiliation' to get add. cover, it's ok with me (and acceptable to most, I guess). Anyhow, be aware that many see the move and some may react. Some education can be found in Jim Bell's story, see http://www.cryptome.org/cartome/homeland.htm or use Google in case you (as a 'coderman' ) don't trust cpunks at all. :) --Michael 10.12.2012, 22:04 John Young <jya@pipeline.com>:
Cryptome has published more on Assange and WikiLeaks than any other source except for WikiLeaks itself. Few have examined the initiative's whole body of material and promotional enterprise. Now that Assange has cloaked himself and the three others in the cypherpunks/cryptography mantle I think his shit-storm is coming this way.
I agree with putting distance between what has happened in cypherpunks Vegas from what is brewing in DoJ. More of that is probably a good thing. That was the purpose of the screed against Assange's insurance entrapment via weak crypto meant to be cracked with leak-fed access.
For edification read the JA-WL behavior in the fuller context of cypherpunks and forget the easily dismissed summary.
Assange is playing the cypherpunks card for a purpose that deserves scrutiny if for no other reason than to avoid being sucked into his practice of taking credit for wins and shifting blame to others when the chips are down. That is why he proclaims to be a privileged journalist after years of disparaging the corruption of that crowd.
Cypherpunks/cryptography vaunting may be part of a past, present or future plea arrangement or more likely a turning of the coat. Where else has this been better predicted than on cypherpunks, yay, even encouraged to cut the deal of ratting on colleagues.
At 02:26 PM 12/10/2012, coderman wrote:
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:10 AM, jd.cypherpunks <jd.cypherpunks@gmail.com>wrote:
So - imo it's not too hard to understand what's going on. First - John isn't insane. Second - read again the first statement.
I think you have to re-read his post and try to understand the underlining context. Try - and try again!
if the screed rings not of truth and substance, your mind may be clouded by bias, or you're asleep at the wheel of life...
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