Jim Bell Trial: Fourth Day (fwd)
Fourth Day: Jim Bell Trial Gordon continued his testimony from the previous day. He started by reviewing the mechanism for returning the guns seized on April 1, 1997, to a person that Bell would designate. He then verified the following admitted evidence: 1. A receipt issued to Bell by Clark County for assessor's records copies. 2. Copies of real property records for a (not the) Jeffrey Gordon. London then asked Gordon about the tracking device that had been installed on Bell's car. Gordon monitored the tracking device at night from his home. When Bell got outside a small radius from his house, the alarm would sound. The short radius was set to avoid trivial alerts, such as Bell going to a grocery store near his home. More evidence was confirmed by Gordon, specifically: 1. A Wired article by Declan McCullagh, where he quoted Bell as saying that he was "thinking of picketing" Gordon's home. 2. A photo processing envelope from 11/17/00 and a photo of one of the residences that Bell had stopped at, found in Bell's car at the time of his arrest. London asked Gordon how he had found out about Mueller. Gordon stated that he had typed "Scott Mueller" into a search engine and that it had turned up in the cypherpunks archive. Gordon then described why he believed that Bell's notebook was evidence of stalking: There were some matches between phone numbers in Bell's "diary, " and phone calls on the long distance bill-"At least one example where it [the numbers] did match up." Gordon testified that that the numbers were "not necessarily victims in the case." He noted that some of the numbers belonged to assessor's offices in various counties. London asked Gordon if he carried a gun. Gordon replied that he did. London: "Why are you afraid of this guy? You're carrying a gun and he isn't." "He's strongly advocated the assassination of IRS agents." Gordon also cited Bell's chemistry background, the fact that he went to MIT, and the incident where Bell dumped chemicals in an IRS building. Gordon stated that Bell had not reformed, that he had increased his activity since his release. His behavior had become more "aggressive and escalating." London asked Gordon how he was addressing this perceived threat. Had he increased security? Gordon responded that he had purchased additional firearms, installed security systems, obtained a restraining order, and educated his family. His wife started carrying. Gordon said that he looked out of the window more, took evasive routes when driving, and watched for anyone following. Gordon stated that when Bell was released, he didn't do anything other than monitor the internet and take phone calls from people who were concerned about the danger that they believed Bell might pose. On the matter of Bell using Oregon DMV databases: Gordon stated that DMV access is not legal for non-commercial use, noting that both Oregon state and federal law restricted their use. London ended the direct examination by asking Gordon about Bell's handwriting samples. Gordon said that Bell refused to give samples although technicians were sent twice to the Seatac Detention Facility to get them. In cross-examination, Gordon stated that when Bell's vehicle was seized in February, 1997, Gordon was aware of Bell and "had a lot of involvement in the process." He already was aware of AP at the time. "Later on" he began monitoring the cypherpunks list. He was also aware of Walsh, the agent who testified about wearing a wire to numerous Multnomah County Common Law Court and to a Clark County Libertarian Party meeting. Gordon claimed that Walsh's "mission was not to infiltrate the Common Law Court." When asked if Bell had supplied an illegal FM transmitter that Walsh had tried to get Bell to supply, Gordon stated that Bell had not supplied any illegal FM transmitter. Asked what had prompted the car seizure in 1997, Gordon said that Bell had failed to pay past taxes on stock sales amounting to a "big $100,000 payment." Gordon said that Bell was not being prosecuted for his essay Assassination Politics or for chemicals recovered from his house in 1997. He agreed with previous witnesses that no firearms had been found at the Bell house in the November, 2000, raid, nor had Gordon ever seen the weapons that had been released to Bell's friend Bob East again. However, there were some chemicals found in the 2000 raid. Gordon stated that he was aware that Bell had been a hobbyist chemist since he was a pre-teen. Leen asked Gordon about his monitoring efforts. Gordon stated that he had made no sustained effort to monitor Bell except when Walsh "did one-party consensual monitoring, which we were entitled to do." (The conversations that were monitored involved Bell's phone in Vancouver, Washington. Washington is a "two-party" state, a fact noted by a previous Treasury Department witness.) Further questioning revealed that: Gordon said that he started monitoring the cypherpunks mailing list in "mid to late 97." The restraining order that Gordon said that he obtained as part of the effort to increase his personal security was obtained after Bell was arrested. Bell has not been out of jail since his arrest. The person who sold Bell the Oregon DMV records did not obtain a signed form stating that the database would be used only for commercial purposes for Bell, although this was a normal procedure. On redirect examination, Gordon again stated that there was no political plan to infiltrate the Common Law Court, that having Walsh go to the Common Law Court "was the only way to contact Bell." Walsh recorded conversations of Bell discussing AP, and what steps were necessary to implement it. Gordon claimed that he would not have opened an investigation of Bell if the basis for the investigation was only AP. Instead, it was the "Operation Locate IRS" that triggered the investigation. Mopping up details, Gordon concluded his testimony by noting that a fax machine was found next to Bell's computer in the 11/6/2000 raid. He also mentioned that Bell's use of the roads for travel between Washington and Oregon qualified as interstate commerce. The jury was sent out for a break. While the jury was out, Tanner observed that the relations between the defense attorney and the defendant has become "congenial." Leen moved for a Rule 29 acquittal on all counts. On count one, he argued, there was no prima facie showing that McNall was reall in danger; he also cited the commerce clause of the constitution. Tanner denied. Leen made the same argument for count 2. Tanner denied. On count three, Leen argued that Bell had only made one phone call and sent one fax-clearly not a consistent exercise to constitute a pattern or course of conduct; Leen also cited the constitution's commerce clause. Leen pointed out that the federal law that Bell was prosecuted under was vague, but that similar laws required at least two instances and sometimes three to establish a pattern. Leen also moved to dismiss counts four and five based on insufficient evidence of fear by the people mentioned in the counts. London interjected that McNall not only expressed fear but took steps to protect himself. London said that Bell should have understood that he was being surveilled since he knew that law enforcement was watching his posts. Furthermore, London pointed out, the government could not wait until Bell actually did something. "If law enforcement was aware [of Bell's actions] and someone got hurt, the victims could sue law enforcement." Tanner asked: "Is Assassination Politics sufficient to put people on the alert?" London: "It's enough to put people on the alert, but not enough to indict someone unless someone takes action against a specific person." Tanner: "Not only overt acts but subtle acts." He denied all defense motions. Leen announced that Bell would take the stand. Tanner said that Bell couldn't use the blackboard, but instead must use butcher paper mounted on an easel. Bell would not be permitted to get out of the witness box, but must instead use a pointer. (During lunch, Bell drew some maps on the paper. After reconvening, the easel was placed well beyond the reach of most pointers, and was oriented sideways where Bell could not see it.) Leen then asked the court if Bell could retrieve his notes from SeaTac. He said that the notes were locked up-by court order--and that Bell could only obtain them during business hours. Tanner told Leen that the court would reconvene at one pm, and at that point he would asked if the defense was ready or not-implying that if Leen didn't put on his case at that time, he would not have the opportunity. The court recessed for lunch. The afternoon started with Bell on the stand. Defense attorney Leen had Bell describe his family and educational background. Bell came across as affable and chatty, directly addressing the jury. He related his experience in working for Intel in 1980, then starting and running Semi-Disk Corporation from 1982-1992, when its main product finally became obsolete and the company failed. Since 1992, he had taken occasional work in electronics design and prototyping. So how did Bell come by so large a tax liability? Bell sold some stock after the business failed and did not pay capital gains on it. After the business failed, he said, he "developed a phobia about dealing with large scale transactions." He often set aside unopened letters from the IRS about the tax liability because of his phobia. Bell testified that he had been a libertarian since 1975. How did he get involved with the Multnomah County Common Law Court? "They sounded kind of interesting, and the meeting was held in a pizza joint, and I will go anywhere for pizza." He also says that he went to the CLC to look for signs of infiltration by federal agents. Bell stated that he considers infiltration of political groups "improper." Leen then had Bell review the history of his essay. Bell first posted AP to Fidonet in 1985. Leen: "What was interesting about Assassination Politics?" Bell: "The name was kind of a joke." It really meant the end of politics, an elimination of hierarchical power structures. Bell saw that as an improvement, noting that governments cause wars, that individuals don't bear that kind of animus toward each other. Assassination Politics was originally intended for somebody like Saddam Hussein, not American public officials. So what about someone who didn't like their boss, Leen asked. Bell said that was unlikely to happen, since the whole society would have to be quite different from what it is now for AP to function. "I wasn't specifically instituting this system into a small area of another system." Bell stated that AP was "only quite hypothetically" workable. Leen: "So you are advocating anarchy?" Bell: "Anarchy is a lack of orders, not a lack of order?. I don't advocate chaos, I don't believe in lack of order. I believe in a lack of orders." Leen then asked Bell to define encryption and cyphers, followed by questions about how public key encryption is related to AP. Bell described in simple terms how encryption would work in his proposed system. Bell said that he had first gotten the idea from an article on blind signatures that was in a 1993 Scientific American article. So why did Bell discuss AP on the cypherpunks list? Because cypherpunks understood computers, networks and encryption. AP was merely intended for debate and discussion, not necessarily implementation. Bell mapped the probability for AP's implementation to the prediction of a moon landing by HG Wells in the 1890s, saying that the capability to implement AP was "at least 10 or 15 years off." So why did Bell suggest to the CLC that AP could be a "solution?" Bell said that the tax collector is a familiar symbol to people on the CLC, and that he was trying to make his essay relevant to them so that they would discuss it. So, Leen asked, what would happen to people like tax collectors? After all, "a person who learns of a system that makes it impossible to keep their job would be terrified." Bell thought it unlikely to become a problem, since those people would tend to find other work before having to deal with such a system. He said that a lot of jobs become obsolete. When that happens, people find new jobs. He characterized such fear as "economic fear and not life-threatening" that could be addressed simply by changing jobs. "The fundamental reason for the essay was to make it unnecessary to pay for a lot of big government." Under AP, the need for a large military would decline. Bell thought that the IRS' surveillance of him began in 1997 at the CLC. He fabricated a field strength meter that would signal him with vibration and took that to a meeting, where he detected RF emissions coming from "Steve Wilson" (whose real name was Steve Walsh). While at the CLC, Bell outlined AP to some of the members. Bell stated that AP would be seldom implemented, "very few people killed"-only "very serious offenders or people who didn't pay their fines." Leen asked Bell about his communications with "Steve Wilson" between January 31, 1997 and the following April 28. Wilson asked Bell to obtain a transmitter for an FM pirate radio station. Leen: "Did you do that?" Bell: "Oh no, that's illegal." Bell believed that he was under surveillance in 1997 and 1998. What led to his conviction in 1997 was the prank of putting Mercaptan, a "non-toxic smelly substance" in IRS offices, as well as using a false Social Security number. Bell stated that he resisted using his SSN for casual non-tax purposes, and would ask for a unique identifier instead. Since he used his Social Security number rarely, he made the error of swapping two digits on a tax form. The conviction was part of a plea agreement. (The agreement itself was interesting: it contained clauses where Bell would turn over his PGP keys and passphrase, which federal agents agreed would not be used to make posts; that Bell would reveal what he knew about chemicals such as sarin and ricin. This agreement was not discussed in detail in the trial, but is available as a public document.) Bell insists that he signed the plea agreement under duress. He bases this claim on an incident in 1997, where Eric Thomas Lund started an altercation with him, and during the altercation yelled at Bell that he'd better accept the agreement that was offered. Bell testified that he had been informing various people, including his own lawyer, that he had decided to refuse the agreement. Bell had suspected Lund from the first day he met him. While at the Tacoma courthouse on 11/21/1997, Bell had been placed in the same holding cell as Lund. However, Lund had his papers with him-usually not permitted to prisoners-and he was dressed in street clothes instead of the more normal prison garb. Lund went so far as to clearly admit his guilt in front of the cameras and microphones monitoring the cells. After getting out of prison, Bell obtained a copy of both Lund's criminal prosecution files and a civil file for a slip-and-fall case that Lund sued the Seatac Detention facility for on 12/15/1997. Bell says that the civil case indicates that Lund was a government informant at that time. Bell pursued his course of action because he believed that the way that federal agents had used Lund to intimidate him should be exposed. He said that he didn't believe in revenge. Bell then told several stories about surveillance that he suspected had occurred, including a 1998 incident at a Clark County LP meeting at Smokey's Pizza in Orchards, Washington. After his release in 2000, Bell decided to investigate Lund. He found the name of Mike McNall in Lund's criminal file and believed that McNall might be Lund's "handler." Bell said that he did not want to contact McNall at his office, but believed that McNall would be more candid and forthcoming if Bell could talk to him away from his office. Regarding the CIA/Mueller incident, Bell said that was not connected to any of the IRS matters. Bell was familiar with Bend and was curious as to why there would be a CIA presence there, since it was a relatively small town far from anything of interest. Bell decoupled himself from John Young, pointing out that "Young didn't request assistance, and I didn't offer assistance." Bell admitted that he had mistaken Mueller for a CIA agent and that now he believes that Mueller is telling the truth about being a real estate agent. (A separate check of Washington state's real estate licensing board indicates that Mueller was a real estate agent licensed in Chelan until July, 1996. He is registered under the name "Scott Mueller" rather than "Deforest Mueller," the name listed with directory information in Bend, and the name on the CIA ISTAC domain record.) The jury was dismissed for the day. Leen told Tanner that all of Bell's discovery notes were at Seatac; that Seatac would not release the notes without a court order, and that the counsellor who would release the notes doesn't work on the weekend. Leen asked for an opportunity to recover the notes. Tanner refused. London asked about when the conference on jury instructions would be held. Tanner put considering that off for a day. Court adjourned until Monday. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com
auto211076@hushmail.com wrote:
Fourth Day: Jim Bell Trial
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London asked Gordon if he carried a gun. Gordon replied that he did. London: "Why are you afraid of this guy? You're carrying a gun and he isn't." "He's strongly advocated the assassination of IRS agents." Gordon also cited Bell's chemistry background, the fact that he went to MIT
Having been to MIT is evidence that someone is a threat? Knowing about science is reason to suspect someone of crime? All over the world geeks & nerds and stereotyped sad men in short-sleeved shirts with pens in their top pockets are trembling with glee. Hey, we're *dangerous* ! Someone takes us seriously! Federal agents are scared of us! All those long evenings of staying up late playing D&D and listening to "Bat out of Hell" and watching Arnie videos and finally someone realises that we are seriously scary! Hey, I was at the Durham University Botany department in the mid-1970s. *And* I'm doing a course in microbiology right now. Look on my lab reports ye mighty, and despair! Oh, and Mr. Agent, you wouldn't believe what I know about degenerating gradient gel electrophoresis that you don't. I've got an Eppendorf and I know how to use it! [...]
Leen told Tanner that all of Bell's discovery notes were at Seatac; that Seatac would not release the notes without a court order, and that the counsellor who would release the notes doesn't work on the weekend. Leen asked for an opportunity to recover the notes. Tanner refused.
Is this normal in US courts? Is it as biased and unfair as it sounds on the face of it? [...] Ken Brown
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
Leen told Tanner that all of Bell's discovery notes were at Seatac; that Seatac would not release the notes without a court order, and that the counsellor who would release the notes doesn't work on the weekend. Leen asked for an opportunity to recover the notes. Tanner refused.
Is this normal in US courts?
Totally normal.
Is it as biased and unfair as it sounds on the face of it?
Yes. This is one of the reasons the Fedz are so terrified of AP... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Ken Brown wrote:
Leen told Tanner that all of Bell's discovery notes were at Seatac; that Seatac would not release the notes without a court order, and that the counsellor who would release the notes doesn't work on the weekend. Leen asked for an opportunity to recover the notes. Tanner refused.
Is this normal in US courts? Is it as biased and unfair as it sounds on the face of it?
This was not normal in US courts a few years ago. It's been downhill, basically, since RICO was passed by the Reagan administration. Fear has come to dominate law in US courts, and I am extremely unhappy about that. Bear
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Ken Brown
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Ray Dillinger