CDR: Re: Niiice kitty....
It would take you years to check five hundred Chomsky citations. His citations are at best obscure and hard to find, at worst impossible to find.
look, digslug, Justin Schwartz is an oxford-trained, yale-trained scholar, now a lawyer with the seventh circuit. he doesn't type things on a publicly accessible listserv where he can easily be quoted and humiliated for saying foolish things since the major new york papers monitor it for political gossip. the man who typed that, justin schwartz, has written and published more than you've typed on usenet so you ought to just STFU&STFD because your attempts to crawl out of the gutter where you seem to happily luxuriate in the scum, grime and waste are embarrassing. the examples you provide never come up with the goods--demonstrate that sources are untraceable, etc. your unpublished dissertation, i take it? it will remain unpublished. slop like that doesn't past the muster. unless you're enrolled in Sally Struther's University, of course. snit
-- James A. Donald:
It would take you [Justin Schwartz] years to check five hundred Chomsky citations. His citations are at best obscure and hard to find, at worst impossible to find.
At 09:41 PM 10/5/2000 -0400, snit wrote:
look, digslug, Justin Schwartz is an oxford-trained, yale-trained scholar, now a lawyer with the seventh circuit. he doesn't type things on a publicly accessible listserv where he can easily be quoted and humiliated for saying foolish things since the major new york papers monitor it for political gossip. the man who typed that, justin schwartz, has written and published more than you've typed on usenet so you ought to just STFU&STFD because your attempts to crawl out of the gutter where you seem to happily luxuriate in the scum, grime and waste are embarrassing.
Yet I seem to hit false citations, citations that are misleading and sometimes nonexistent, every few pages of Chomsky. If Justin Schwartz has a success rate is so strangely different from my own, perhaps he can find the infamous citation "repeated discoveries that massacre reports were false". Which massacre reports were these? And while he is at it, can he explain how come the eyewitness reports of terror and intimidation taken by Ponchaud constitute third hand reports in Chomsky's cites of Ponchaud? And while he is at it, how come one of Chomsky's highly qualified experts who supposedly ridiculed the false reports of Khmer Rouge crimes later said that Phnom Penh was evacuated to smash resistance (a claim later confirmed by Pol Pot) and that perhaps ten percent of the population of Phnom Penh died as a result of the evactuation, an estimate he made before the famous left wing U turn on Cambodia, an estimate that contradicts the general tone of the letter Chomsky quoted, but does not contradict the substance of it or the facts reported. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG zpm0nF0PAslx5syXxOvx/fLisCaXVxVrcIoHJ31o 421EBABRmFfhBBXoKipKxu560aLyoq6DdhmY05cNo
At 09:27 PM 05/10/00 -0700, James A.. Donald wrote:
-- James A. Donald:
It would take you [Justin Schwartz] years to check five hundred Chomsky citations. His citations are at best obscure and hard to find, at worst impossible to find.
already countered, Justin did not specify the time frame. So S2 already.
At 09:41 PM 10/5/2000 -0400, snit wrote:
look, digslug, Justin Schwartz is an oxford-trained, yale-trained scholar, now a lawyer with the seventh circuit. he doesn't type things on a publicly accessible listserv where he can easily be quoted and humiliated for saying foolish things since the major new york papers monitor it for political gossip. the man who typed that, justin schwartz, has written and published more than you've typed on usenet so you ought to just STFU&STFD because your attempts to crawl out of the gutter where you seem to happily luxuriate in the scum, grime and waste are embarrassing.
Yet I seem to hit false citations, citations that are misleading and sometimes nonexistent, every few pages of Chomsky.
An example? A prime example? Every few pages? What book? What page? What citation?
If Justin Schwartz has a success rate is so strangely different from my own, perhaps he can find the infamous citation "repeated discoveries that massacre reports were false". Which massacre reports were these?
Where did the "the" go? Try On the quote in question, I have a copy of Clive Ponting's Churchill book balanced on my knee right now, and I can confirm that the quote is word for word, except that the emphases have fallen off it with the loss of italics ('an innocent record and' 'altogether disproportionate' 'mainly acquired by violence, largely maintained by force'). Strike one to Chomsky. this, from the lbo-talk list, I welcome anyone to parse their publicly archived list and prove me wrong. I'd give a url, but fuck james, I want him to work for it.
And while he is at it, <snip>
And while he is at it, <snip>
You are a broken record. Are you a former student of Chomsky? A failed student, perhaps? Reese
-- At 09:41 PM 10/5/2000 -0400, snit wrote:
look, digslug, Justin Schwartz is an oxford-trained, yale-trained scholar, now a lawyer with the seventh circuit. he doesn't type things on a publicly accessible listserv where he can easily be quoted and humiliated for saying foolish things since the major new york papers monitor it for political gossip. the man who typed that, justin schwartz, has written and published more than you've typed on usenet so you ought to just STFU&STFD because your attempts to crawl out of the gutter where you seem to happily luxuriate in the scum, grime and waste are embarrassing.
James A. Donald:
Yet I seem to hit false citations, citations that are misleading and sometimes nonexistent, every few pages of Chomsky.
Snit:
An example? A prime example? Every few pages? What book? What page? What citation?
I have already given you numerous examples. James A. Donald:
If Justin Schwartz has a success rate is so strangely different from my own, perhaps he can find the infamous citation "repeated discoveries that massacre reports were >false". Which massacre reports were these?
Snit:
Where did the "the" go?
You remind me of Chomsky making a big deal because Shawcross' printers dropped some ellipses, as if finding a typo in Shawcross was an answer to the evidence that Shawcross presented. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Og3I1Mi3csitJ/tWi++uA6emkiQduhntInm/143y 4geOlRow4tTCnidBamRUDcjarFf6DvZGD/QK4jPPM
-- At 08:45 PM 10/5/2000 -1000, Reese wrote:
You are a broken record.
You keep demanding that I present evidence that I have already presented hundreds of times, that hundreds of people have already presented hundreds of times. The first exposure of Chomsky's deceptive citations was published in 1967, and they have been coming out every few months ever since. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG IFnJuIN8QPVynEtFyQ1/VFy1GaC6cR+7Bru3Ns/J 4cErcLzrhf3nFgccAi5ijORwhiItMC8WwAA+UvC1Y
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