Re: On the outright laughability of internet "democracy"
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:22:15 -0400, you wrote:
At 4:35 PM +0200 on 8/11/02, Anonymous wrote:
Next, the "internet" boogeyman.
Nope. Just the clueless "only knows one austrian remailer" boogeyman. Watch me make him go away:
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Based on your inability or unwillingness to address the issues identified specifically, that is pretty good course of action on your part. I would think you might be interested in going deeper, as "Blind signatures for untraceable payments" is directly applicable to both digital settlement and digital voting. See http://www.acm.org/crossroads/xrds2-4/voting.html for an interesting little article of introduction about the topic. And there are many others more current and deep. Those issues, remaining unaddressed by you, include: "The "sold vote" boogeyman". You need to submit evidence that "anonymous" "internet" voting is more likely to be fraudulent than paper, voter-present by mail voting. You have submitted none, and the "cryptography" word is insufficient to scare me off. The "bogus digital voter registration" boogeyman. You may also wish to show how digital voter registration cards would be more likely to be bogus than "Motor Voter, no-id required" registration cards. Good luck. The "crypto" boogeyman. I challenge you to show that current, published crypto voting protocols cannot accomplish the following: 1. one digital sig, one vote, the first one, and the others are discarded 2. no dig signature, no vote 3. no dig voter registration, no dig sig 4. anonymity, i.e., no connectibility between the voter's choice and his identity. 5. auditability, i.e., connection between each voting "lever throw" and a dig sig for the current vote. Next, the "internet" boogeyman. It's just a pipe/wire/whatever. Bits. Don't be afraid. If the bits are properly signed, no problem and whether "internet" bits or voter-machine-punched-paper-tape-bits is irrelevant." They are not strengthened or weakened by the mail server applied to their transmission, by the way. Cheers!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 12:51 PM -0700 on 8/11/02, A.Austrian.Idiot single hops yet another remailer and wrote:
I would think you might be interested in going deeper, as "Blind signatures for untraceable payments" is directly applicable to both digital settlement and digital voting.
Yes. Of course. And, if you actually read it, or even just thought about it instead of spewing oppositional bullshit to everything you disagree with politically, :-), you'd soon realize that you can't actually control an truly anonymous voting scheme any more than you can control a truly anonymous bearer asset. Like equity, an anonymous vote is completely salable. In short, sir, please to fuck off, until you actually know what you're talking about. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPVbGfsPxH8jf3ohaEQKaCACg5imhi38mKjBmPiX1uo4V2l77PiQAoK4K Md2o5nPZy57vzqZNFDuJdFcP =4bGV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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