Eric Murray
Lots of media are running survey questions asking if the US should ban strong cryptography.
Here is a more honest survey:
1. Are you willing to ban strong cryptography so the FBI, CIA, NSA etc. can listen in on potential terrorists, and jail Americans that use strong cryptography?
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9. Terrorists do not always communicate digitally. In fact there are rumors that Osama bin Laden communicates with his associates either by sending verbal messages with trusted couriers from families that he knows, or for longer distances, using paper messages sent via services like FedEx. Do you think that banning strong crypto in America will slow bin Laden down at all?
Eric
Very nice. We in the choir agree. Now how are you going to get those in congress ( who prefer to be 99.9% fact-free ) to see it your way? You'd have better luck opening a restaurant called Porky's Kosher Pig Hut next door to a mosque in Kabul. Mike
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:46:06AM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
We in the choir agree.
Now how are you going to get those in congress ( who prefer to be 99.9% fact-free ) to see it your way?
Probably not worth the effort. They'll do what they want, no matter what the crypto mavens say. I wonder what's going to be in the emergency anti-terrorism bill that Bush will send Congress on Wed or Thurs. Maybe not crypto restrictions, but the language will likely bear a close read. -Declan
Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:46:06AM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
We in the choir agree.
Now how are you going to get those in congress ( who prefer to be 99.9% fact-free ) to see it your way?
Probably not worth the effort. They'll do what they want, no matter what the crypto mavens say.
I wonder what's going to be in the emergency anti-terrorism bill that Bush will send Congress on Wed or Thurs. Maybe not crypto restrictions, but the language will likely bear a close read.
Send it when you find it.
-Declan
I managed to get an outline of the emergency anti-terrorism bill. Wiretap, FISA, immigration, court procedure, etc. But no encryption restrictions listed. -Declan On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 01:00:48PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
I wonder what's going to be in the emergency anti-terrorism bill that Bush will send Congress on Wed or Thurs. Maybe not crypto restrictions, but the language will likely bear a close read.
Send it when you find it.
-Declan
Declan McCullagh wrote:
I managed to get an outline of the emergency anti-terrorism bill. Wiretap, FISA, immigration, court procedure, etc.
But no encryption restrictions listed.
-Declan
Is it true that Gregg is giving up? Has someone told him that his ATM, his browser and his garage door opener would be outlawed? The talk of crypto regs came from more corners than just Gregg's. Why would the interest pass so quickly? Is it because they have faith in MSWindows, Carnivore and keyboard loggers? It will probably surface again soon. Mike
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:40:27PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Is it true that Gregg is giving up? Has someone told him that his ATM, his browser and his garage door opener would be outlawed?
Depends on whether you believe politicotalk or not. Gregg's comments were heartfelt, IMHO. Sad that the only principles politicos seem to have nowadays is the principle of limiting crypto, privacy.
The talk of crypto regs came from more corners than just Gregg's. Why would the interest pass so quickly? Is it because they have faith in MSWindows, Carnivore and keyboard loggers?
It will probably surface again soon.
Maybe. Then again, this would have been the time to do it, in this bill. The fine print will bear reading. Also, keep an eye out for Sen. Kyl, who complained about crypto last week. -Declan
On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:40:27PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Is it true that Gregg is giving up? Has someone told him that his ATM, his browser and his garage door opener would be outlawed?
Depends on whether you believe politicotalk or not. Gregg's comments were heartfelt, IMHO. Sad that the only principles politicos seem to have nowadays is the principle of limiting crypto, privacy.
As usual, you miss the point, they're trying to save their jobs. Crypto is a means, not the end. -- ____________________________________________________________________ The future, as always, belongs to the dreamers. Heinz Pagels The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Choate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:40:27PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Is it true that Gregg is giving up? Has someone told him that his ATM, his browser and his garage door opener would be outlawed?
Depends on whether you believe politicotalk or not. Gregg's comments were heartfelt, IMHO. Sad that the only principles politicos seem to have nowadays is the principle of limiting crypto, privacy.
As usual, you miss the point, they're trying to save their jobs. Crypto is a means, not the end.
Hardly. The symbolic gesture of proposing legislation can serve a political purpose but do you disagree that there are those who consider it a desirable end? And who knows the club membership status of each player? Mike
Q: "Do you believe people should be arrrested, tried, and jailed for writing in some form that narcs and cops cannot read? Do you believe whispering should be made a felony? Q: If you answered "yes," would you be willing to take a bullet from citizens who don't agree? Will you volunteer to work in an office building that may be terminated by extreme prejudice by patriots? Q: Do you understand that by repressing civil liberties, you have earned killing? --Tim May
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