"Because the school accepts no government aid and prohibits its students from doing the same, it has the right to discriminate on the basis of religion." from a story http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap170.htm about a college for home-schoolers. Re: why govt subsidized arenas have to be neutral wrt who you kiss, a recent thread here. Along those lines, two more recent refs: one where a govt school cuts off the Scouts, another where a county doesnt and gets sued. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/xnyap/20000927/lo/brf_boy_scout_ban_1.html District Ends Boy Scout Affiliation NEW YORK (AP) - A Manhattan school board has banned its 42 schools from sponsoring Boy Scout troops because the 90-year-old national organization excludes gays. The board of Community School District Two passed the resolution at a meeting Tuesday night, becoming the first district in the city to enact such a ban. http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/20000927/t000091530.html Scouts Lease on Base Extended ACLU, gays claim rent-free access to Newport Beach site is a government subsidy for a discriminatory group. By DAVID REYES, Times Staff Writer Over objections from the gay and lesbian community and the threat of an ACLU lawsuit, Orange County supervisors Tuesday unanimously approved a 30-year extension of the Boy Scouts lease on a Newport Beach sea base under county authority. "This is good news for everybody in Orange County," said David Janes, a sea base volunteer and retired Navy rear admiral, after the boards vote. About 35 Scouts, their parents and Scout leaders attended the meeting in a show of support for the rent-free extension of the base lease, beginning in 2006. The Scouts have operated the base for 63 years and recently raised $4.5 million to renovate the popular facility. Opponents of the lease renewal argued that the county should not "subsidize" a group that discriminates against people because of sexual orientation. "It is clear that the Boy Scouts do not have the right to receive any government subsidies, sponsorship or special privileges, such as sweetheart deals on rent of government lands and buildings," said Martha Matthews, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU recently sued San Diego in federal court over a lease of public parkland to the Scouts for $1 a year. In response to a question Tuesday by Supervisor Todd Spitzer about whether the ACLU intends to sue Orange County, Matthews said, "Its likely that we would." Another great quote: The only thing different is you dont have to dumb down the vocabulary when youre teaching home-schooled kids, said Farris, a Republican nominee for lieutenant governor in 1993 and founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association.
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, A. Melon wrote:
"Because the school accepts no government aid and prohibits its students from doing the same, it has the right to discriminate on the basis of religion."
from a story http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap170.htm about a college for home-schoolers.
Re: why govt subsidized arenas have to be neutral wrt who you kiss, a recent thread here.
Somebody might then argue that education received in a private institution cannot be guaranteed to include social/moral/whatever lessons which are to be expected in a society and so private education should not be recognized as valid. Of course, this is nonsensical from an American point of view. From a Finnish one, not as clearly - Finnish universities and far over 90% of schools are governmental institutions, so making the above move would force people to attend a public school in order to be eligible for further education. In fact, private schools based on the Steiner and Montessori pedagogies fought quite a fight to be recognized, here. Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
Somebody might then argue that education received in a private institution cannot be guaranteed to include social/moral/whatever lessons which are to be expected in a society and so private education should not be recognized as valid. Of course, this is nonsensical from an American point of view. From a Finnish one, not as clearly - Finnish universities and far over 90% of schools are governmental institutions, so making the above move would force people to attend a public school in order to be eligible for further education. In fact, private schools based on the Steiner and Montessori pedagogies fought quite a fight to be recognized, here.
Typically in the US, a college has entrance exams. If you can pay the tuition and pass the entrance exam, they don't care where or even whether you got your primary and secondary education. There's even a recognized class of "jailhouse lawyers" -- people who got arrested, studied the law on their own while in jail in order to handle their own appeals pro se, and who, when finally released from jail, found that they knew enough law to pass the entrance exams for law school and went on to become attorneys. "Social" or "Moral" lessons are considered to be reflected in performance only, and training is quite irrelevant to them. If a jailhouse lawyer takes a bribe or wilfully conceals evidence from disclosure or whatever, and the bar association discovers the fact, then she'll be disbarred the same as anybody else, but until something like that happens, she's assumed equal. The interesting bit is that the relative quality of public and private schools varies a whole lot. In sunny California, which has been neglecting its public school system, all the quality colleges are private and the entrance exams for them are all really tough -- students who've gone to a mere public school are unlikely to be able to get in. The curriculums are fairly mild, but since the graduates are all people who were bright enough to get in in the first place, they retain it well and function well in the world. If you don't do well enough in high school to qualify for the private colleges, you have to go the inferior public-college route. By contrast, in states like Kansas, which have a strong tradition of public schooling, the huge public universities have "warm body" admissions. This means anyone who can pass a GED exam or who has graduated from any public or private high school is automatically accepted -- but the curriculum is some of the toughest in the world and if you're unprepared you flunk out (Along with three quarters or more of your class). In the midwest, the graduates are the ones who were bright enough to *NOT FLUNK OUT*, and they retain their education well and function well in the world. If you can't cut it in the intensely competitive universities, then you have to pull out and go to an inferior private college instead. Ray
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