On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 09:05 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Honig wrote:

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And nautilus and PGPfone. Maybe on a pocket PC if they have decent audio. How do you make money on this approach, though?

By selling wireless bandwidth? Hardware? Leather accessoires and GUI skins? Consulting?

I don't think the apps themselves should be commercial. It only leads to featuritis, lousy code and backdoors.

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Interop with an existing PC/Mac based tool might help.

Definitely. There are, supposedly people out there who do VoIP from their desktops, but I never met any.

I have. I've been telephoned by people who used Internet telephony for part of the long-haul, reaching a local line at my end. Sounded slightly tinny, but was OK. And a friend of mine here in California routinely calls his relatives in Chicago over such a link. They can talk for hours at no cost to him. And there was at least one meeting of the Cypherpunks, in around 1993, where three scattered sites (Mountain View, Northern Virginia, Boston/Cambridge) were linked with an "M-bone" voice-over-Internet conference call. Better yet, DES-encrypted. That was 8 years ago. --Tim May