--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Well, they could just tune in on Echelon, which really seems to be reality. There is no need for "infinite" resources to do such a thing.

Echelon ain't a radio, and not all members of TLAs have access. Indeed, you can be damn sure that they are very careful to NOT share a lot of the Echelon-culled information. And unless you're involved in some very interesting operations, as a mere agitant you aren't going to merit release of Echelon info.

How do you know?

HOWEVER, even if they haven't focused the big microscope on you, this

A very good friend of mine once described what you call the "big microphone" as the panopticon. Clearly this is not a new idea, and consequently we may assume that the TLAs are well in advance of whatever is known about global surveillance by the general public. Technical sophisticates have, however, a distinct advantage here. Furthermore, as I have stated previously, the use of information gleaned from a surveillance effort leaks 'bits' about the surveillance action itself -- this is a mathematical certainty. But, seeing as how the public is expected to live in a rather small fantasy world of conceptual and information poverty, at least as such relates to the activities of TLAs, we can assume that mathematical realities will have zero correlation with politically motivated policies in the public `sphere'.

doesn't mean you don't merit "phishing" by someone (perhaps) who's in a local office and has decided he doesn't like you personally. Thus, lower-level & not "infinitely secure" efforts might be of some use.

Obviously.

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Here is the fundamental misunderstanding. Your email is no "account". There are no place where your account is stored. The only thing that exists is an endpoint, where you receive your mail. Before the mail reaches that point, its's just TCP-packets on the wire.

OK, what the heck are you talking about? You're telling me that hotmail/gmail is stored on my personal COMPUTER? Not even a TLA-originated campaign of disinformation would attempt to get that across. Are you like a 14-year-old boy or something?

It's likely that "he" is practising his stupidity in order to establish the background of his mailing-list persona. Perhaps his messages also carry coded `freight' of some kind intended for a certain class of reader. If so, and if he uses perfect encryption for his coding scheme, we cannot have any hope of decyphering what he is saying beyond the superficial face-value of his text.

The problem with Cypherpunks is that we're way too pre-occupied with "infinite security" scenarios. Of course, such a subject is of vital importance, but there are lower levels of threat (and appropriate response) that need to be examined. This "well they can break almost anything so don't even bother unless you're the Okie City B-*-m-b-*-r or somebody, and then you'll need a faraday cage and colliding pulse mode-locked dye laser for

quantum encryption" bullshit actually detracts from Cypherpunkly notions....it makes the use of encryption a red flag sticking out of a sea of unencrypted grey. And then, of course, in the off chance they can't actually break the message under that flag, they can merely send a guy out with binoculars or whatever.

Don't forget about rubber-hose cryptanlysis. Rumour has it that method is preferred in many cases since it makes the code-breakers feel good by way of testosterone release. Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca