Jim, By CDR-like, I meant that it might be useful to grow the list in a manner similar to the cypherpunks list in order both to protect against SPoF as well as to distribute load (alt.anonymous.messages is pretty high-traffic - even compared to cypherpunks). How nodes would connect is TBD. Most CDR admins have rolled their own method of doing this. Thanks, -Brian -- bmm@minder.net 1024/8C7C4DE9 On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jim Choate wrote:

With respect to the 'CDR like' comments, can you better explain how this works? Who does one contact? What sort of scripting is required?

You also might want to reduce the default resend period on this list if possible. The 4 day normal for sendmail might be problematic. Set it to something like 1 day.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, BMM wrote:

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I would like to announce the "secret-admirers" mail list.

The "secret-admirers" list is intended to function in a manner similar to the well-known Usenet newsgroup "alt.anonymous.messages". This newsgroup serves as a dead drop for communications in which the recipient wishes to remain unknown.

While access to a Usenet news server is unavailable in many environments, the ubiquity and flexibility of e-mail may be advantageous for the following reasons:

- Penetration: More people having access to (pseudo|ano)nymizing tools is generally a good thing. - Pool Size: Higher utilization of the message pool may frustrate traffic analysis. The list may be gatewayed back into alt.anonymous.messages or vice versa. CDR-like nodes for redistribution may be established to reduce load on individual nodes. - Filtering: E-mail filtering tools are widely available, allowing recipients to draw only pertinent messages from the pool by filtering on tokens which have been negotiated out-of-band or by the public key to which a message has been encrypted.

The mail list is unmoderated and accepts messages from any submitter. Submissions may be sent to "secret-admirers@minder.net" or "sa@minder.net".

TO SUBSCRIBE to the list, send a message with "subscribe secret-admirers" in the body to majordomo@minder.net. The more subscribers, the better, even if procmail just sends it to /dev/null.

TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list, send a message with "unsubscribe secret-admirers" to majordomo@minder.net.

A digest of this list is available. This list is not currently archived.

Sure. Maybe "sa@minder.net" is an address one should keep in mind when registering on the website of some company you don't particularly want to receive junk mail from. Donate your spam to a good cause! Thanks, -Brian -- bmm@minder.net 1024/8C7C4DE9 On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

BMM wrote:

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By CDR-like, I meant that it might be useful to grow the list in a manner similar to the cypherpunks list in order both to protect against SPoF as well as to distribute load (alt.anonymous.messages is pretty high-traffic - even compared to cypherpunks). How nodes would connect is TBD. Most CDR admins have rolled their own method of doing this.

Would it be useful to subscribe this list to random junk mail lists in order to reduce the SNR? Doing so, one could hide messages as random spam with ease.

Perhaps this is only necessary as a startup transient measure, just to get the traffic on the list to the point where traffic analysis isn't trivial.

-- Riad Wahby rsw@mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002

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