Re: Donald's Job Description
You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy...
Do you really think Kerry wouldnt have signed the Patriot Act if he was president? Federalized the drivers license requirements? Pushed for socialized medicine with central controls? Kerry or Bush, Kang or Kodos, in the end it means the same thing.
I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as "needs killing". You MIGHT find some Cypherpunks put up a weak counter-argument just to keep an open mind on the matter, but I doubt it. -TD _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy...
Do you really think Kerry wouldnt have signed the Patriot Act if he was president? Federalized the drivers license requirements? Pushed for socialized medicine with central controls? Kerry or Bush, Kang or Kodos, in the end it means the same thing.
I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as "needs killing".
Here: Allow me to be the very first - Kerry Very Definitely NEEDS KILLING. But not until Georgie has had *his* turn. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core" S. Plath, Temper of Time
At 1:57 PM -0500 10/25/04, J.A. Terranson wrote:
Here: Allow me to be the very first - Kerry Very Definitely NEEDS KILLING. But not until Georgie has had *his* turn.
Exactly the point I was making before. Binary politics are a bitch, boys and girls. viz, "I'm as cryptoanarchist as the next guy, but kill the [democrats/republicans] first" means that we are, in fact, democrats or republicans and not cryptoanarchists, and will remain so until there aren't democrats/republicans/libertarians/greens/whatever, to vote for to begin with. That means a structural change in *physics*, and not politics. In the vein of another canonical cypherpunk, "cypherpunks write code". Doesn't mean that politics is not a topic of discussion around here, far from it. This list is, has been, mostly, since its inception, a watering hole and not a working list, but we have to remember not the put the political cart before the physical/financial/economic horse. To mangle my favorite Clinton (George): Free (as in liberty...) your code and your political mind will follow. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:10:14 -0400, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote:
You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy...
Not exactly ...
I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as "needs killing".
I'm not advocating Tim May style actions, although I do miss his postings. He did keep things active, and was an excellent counterbalance to RAH. Not that I can boast of adding much to the discussions.
You MIGHT find some Cypherpunks put up a weak counter-argument just to keep an open mind on the matter, but I doubt it.
I'd prefer more discussions about encryption/anonymity than discussions of the fitness, or lack thereof of the presidential candidates. So I need to look internally for that, and contribute myself. -- Pete Capelli pcapelli@ieee.org http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759
At 2:33 PM -0400 10/25/04, Pete Capelli wrote:
He did keep things active, and was an excellent counterbalance to RAH.
*Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
*Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's.
What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tcmay%40got.net&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=of f&sa=G&scoring=d Too bad. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
At 10:32 PM +0200 10/25/04, Eugen Leitl wrote:
What's he up to these days?
Probably in jail. :-). I told him not to throw rocks at cop-cars... Cheers, RAH Okay, so he's probably not in *jail*... -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
At 10:32 PM +0200 10/25/04, Eugen Leitl wrote:
What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tcmay%40got.net&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=G&scoring=d
Too bad.
Here we go... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&scoring=d&q=%22Tim+May%22&btnG=Search -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
Here we go...
Wow! He's gotten even worse! ""US Code 10" does not enslave me to some "militia" that holds views generally counter to my own (that negroes mostly need killing, that abortion is fully legal, that all drugs are legal, that women are too hormone-addled to have the right to vote, and that many tens of millions of Jews, niggers, Mexicans, PRs, and other criminals ought to be sent up in smoke)." Someone please send him a refill for that thorazine scrip! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core" S. Plath, Temper of Time
On 2004-10-25T22:32:48+0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
*Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's.
What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too
Maybe an assassin got past his home defense network?
At 03:09 PM 10/25/2004, Justin wrote:
On 2004-10-25T22:32:48+0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
*Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's.
What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too
Maybe an assassin got past his home defense network?
No, if you google for timcmay and got.net, you'll find him. (He changed from tcmay to timcmay a couple of years ago after getting too much spam or something, and there's spam-harvester-distraction in his posted domain name.) He's posted on ba.food in the last week, among other places. ---- Bill Stewart bill.stewart@pobox.com
At 05:11 PM 10/27/2004, Dave Howe wrote:
Tyler Durden wrote:
I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as "needs killing". but presumably, lower down the list than shrub and his current advisors?
Oh, definitely much lower(even if he wins :-). And if he loses, he ought to take Nader's place as the "spoiled the election" guy, or at least Dukakis's. They say we've got the best politicians money can buy, but we sure should be able to buy better politicians than him. Kerry was one of the worst runnable Democrats they could find. Edwards was worse, and at the time I thought Gephardt was worse, though Kerry's chickened out enough that he might not win, which would be worse than Gephardt winning. Kerry's a content-free stuffed shirt who no longer has the guts that he had during his anti-war days, which is a big problem in a campaign about emotions and values and Fearmongering, and Edwards is all pretty face with no apparent soul either. He's thoroughly failed to propose anything positive or concrete (saying "Help is on the way" just doesn't cut it, especially if you don't have anything to offer except not being Bush) and he's let his "I'm a war hero" stance get in the way of bashing Bush's incompetence in the war and bashing Bush's fundamental dishonesty. He's let Karl Rove dominate the emotional campaign, and failed to take the high road aggressively but tried to fight back against Rove on Rove's territory, which is futile. The only time he really got anywhere emotionally was during the parts of the debates where he would talk about how Bush's father did x/y/z and Bush Jr. wasn't up to it, which left Bush squirming at his podium, and he failed to catch on to the fact that Bush-o-nomics is the same Voodoo Economics that Bush Sr. criticized when he was running against Reagan. Howard Dean would have been fun, but he was enough of a threat to the establishment that they had to stop him (especially the Democratic establishment, because he was rebuilding an actual political party with some grass roots in it as opposed to the current pure astroturf.) And MoveOn seems to have mostly disappeared.
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Bill Stewart wrote:
And MoveOn seems to have mostly disappeared.
So, I'm not the only one who's noticed this? Obviously, Kerry was coming a bit too close to an actual win... :-( -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core" S. Plath, Temper of Time
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 6:14 PM -0700 10/27/04, Bill Stewart wrote:
Kerry's a content-free stuffed shirt
*I* coulda told you that. I'm from Massachusetts. Here's what I wrote about the War Hero (2.0) on another list:
A guy just like, say, John Kerry, back-door preppie turned social-climber turned military opportunist medal-fabricator turned communist (Viet Cong) turned dishonorably discharged gigolo ($300 million) turned Democratic ward-heelling coatholder turned Dukakis snot-wipe turned Kennedy snot-wipe turned car-living beer-bummer turned "Liveshot" camera-hog turned gigolo (just south of a billion) turned crocodile-teared POW-sop turned communist (Sandinista) turned do-nothing Senator, whose accent went from Yiddish to Brahamin to Southie Irish to middle-america received pronounciation to (apparently last week) redneck "get me a huntin' license", all of which, just like his opinion on any issue you could name, turned on a dime to give you nine cents change, depending on who he was talking to at the time.
In the immortal words of Mr. Parker, Kerry's a pussy who's so full of shit he might as well be an asshole. In a lot of ways, he's just Dukakis, stretched out on the Marxist rack, only his voice got lower.
who no longer has the guts that he had during his anti-war days
Sorry. Even then, he was a pussy. He had Karl Marx and Uncle Ho shoved so far into both lower orifices he had sticky fluid coming out all of his *upper* ones... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too. Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQYBQ7MPxH8jf3ohaEQKPdwCfbtTso0OyuD107uKvdNMfwpCd61sAmwW0 b4f4lRRmsks7KQsF9drn/QVD =ARaU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
At 06:52 PM 10/27/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
.. > ... Kerry ... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too.
Hey, we've got DiFi here, who's unfortunately been more effective at getting things she wants. But it's Barbara Boxer who's up for election this round. Bill Stewart bill.stewart@pobox.com
At 1:37 AM -0700 10/28/04, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 06:52 PM 10/27/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
.. > ... Kerry ... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too.
Hey, we've got DiFi here,
"*liberal*" as opposed to Kennedy, of course. :-). "Ever see a Senator swim? You will, in Massachusetts..." Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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