At 09:45 AM 9/15/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:

Hum. Seems the Chinese government is pretty effective at self-preservation. Does this contradict the widely-held Cypherpunk belief in the inevitability of deterioration of the state?

"We" have always held that a sufficiently policed state can defeat crypto. If the RIAA could put a vidcam in your computer room, things are easy. If crypto is illegal, things are easy. (We have remarked on how, modulo stego, crypto traffic is trivial to detect with any entropy measure. Got PGP headers?) China is a police state. A state with freedom of expression ---which does not include much or all of Europe--- is less so. China is also a nukepower, so it is likely to persist.