I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way. Thank you. ===== Ing. Fausto C. G. Empresa: INSYS (http://www.insys-corp.com.mx) "Ipsa scientia potestas est" .-Francis Bacon. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com
That's shame indeed. Couldn't whoever's running cypherpunks setup a goddamn sendmail filter or something? On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Thank you.
===== Ing. Fausto C. G.
Empresa: INSYS (http://www.insys-corp.com.mx) "Ipsa scientia potestas est" .-Francis Bacon.
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Cypherpunks works like any anarchy. *You're* running cypherpunks. If you want something done the way you want it done, *do it* and get other people to help you. Also, given that the list has been around for almost a decade, and has archives, you might consider seeing if it's been discussed. You shouldn't have to search back more than a month.... At 10:31 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Jordan Dimov wrote:
That's shame indeed. Couldn't whoever's running cypherpunks setup a goddamn sendmail filter or something?
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Thank you.
===== Ing. Fausto C. G.
Empresa: INSYS (http://www.insys-corp.com.mx) "Ipsa scientia potestas est" .-Francis Bacon.
_________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com
Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
At 10:07 PM -0700 on 10/16/00, Bill Stewart wrote regarding the "somebody oughta" problem:
You shouldn't have to search back more than a month....
...at any point in time... :-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity... On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bill Stewart wrote:
Cypherpunks works like any anarchy. *You're* running cypherpunks. If you want something done the way you want it done, *do it* and get other people to help you. Also, given that the list has been around for almost a decade, and has archives, you might consider seeing if it's been discussed. You shouldn't have to search back more than a month....
At 10:31 PM 10/16/00 -0400, Jordan Dimov wrote:
That's shame indeed. Couldn't whoever's running cypherpunks setup a goddamn sendmail filter or something?
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Thank you.
===== Ing. Fausto C. G.
Empresa: INSYS (http://www.insys-corp.com.mx) "Ipsa scientia potestas est" .-Francis Bacon.
_________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su direcci�n de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com
Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
-- Galt's sci-fi paradox: Stormtroopers versus Redshirts to the death. Who is John Galt? galt@inconnu.isu.edu, that's who!
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity...
Do you imagine for an instant that a list like this could go out, be available to anonymous people, and *NOT* be archived? I guarantee various interested parties including Law Enforcement Agencies are archiving it, and would be whether or not anyone else did and whether or not any public archives were available. In fact, I'm betting that their archives are more complete than the ones on the web, and I wish we could restore some stuff from those records that's gotten lost from the web archives. In particular, I designed a digital-cash protocol once and discussed it on this list, and it's not in the web archives. I'd like to have that back, it would save me some design work when I go to implement it. We can't stop anybody who gets cypherpunks from archiving it. We can't stop anybody from getting cypherpunks. QED, there *are* archives. Some of them might as well be public. Occasionally they are useful, or contain worthwhile URL's. Bear
At 1:33 PM -0700 10/17/00, Ray Dillinger wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote:
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity...
Do you imagine for an instant that a list like this could go out, be available to anonymous people, and *NOT* be archived? I guarantee various interested parties including Law Enforcement Agencies are archiving it, and would be whether or not anyone else did and whether or not any public archives were available. In fact, I'm betting that their archives are more complete than the ones on the web, and I wish we could restore some stuff from those records that's gotten lost from the web archives. In particular, I designed a digital-cash protocol once and discussed it on this list, and it's not in the web archives. I'd like to have that back, it would save me some design work when I go to implement it.
We can't stop anybody who gets cypherpunks from archiving it. We can't stop anybody from getting cypherpunks. QED, there *are* archives. Some of them might as well be public. Occasionally they are useful, or contain worthwhile URL's.
Not only this, but it was a backburner project for several years to take the toad archives and convert them to a CD-ROM for distribution. So much for "against what most cypherpunks stand for." Cypherpunks don't believe that security comes through obscurity. Those who wish to protect their identities should take positive measures to do so. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 01:33 PM 10/17/00 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
We can't stop anybody who gets cypherpunks from archiving it. We can't stop anybody from getting cypherpunks. QED, there *are* archives. Some of them might as well be public. Occasionally they are useful, or contain worthwhile URL's.
Not strictly true - Murphy says that the stuff you *really* wanted to find in the archives was in the bit that fell through the cracks when somebody's disk crashed or power went out for a day :-) One of the main cypherpunks archives is in Singapore, on inet-one.com . Also, cypherpunks is occasionally gatewayed to Usenet groups, which have been archived since the Dawn Of Time. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity...
It probably is, but it's also against what most cypherpunks stand for to tell them what to do with the bits that hit their network card. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Do your best, you fucking twit. People like you who threaten us need to be taken out and shot. We are adding you to the special "high spam diet." Hope you like it, jerk. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Do your best, you fucking twit.
People like you who threaten us need to be taken out and shot.
We are adding you to the special "high spam diet."
Hope you like it, jerk.
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people, he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him? - -- Nathan Saper (natedog@well.com) | http://www.well.com/user/natedog/ GnuPG (ElGamal/DSA): 0x9AD0F382 | PGP 2.x (RSA): 0x386C4B91 Standard PGP & PGP/MIME OK | AOL Instant Messenger: linuxfu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE57Rvy2FWyBZrQ84IRAqlPAKCGS7lKJX2WlyQ80sEHFW2tnDlvLwCfbWdn 4y1dmK8+uDd/5YXe3oCzQp0= =gagQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Do your best, you fucking twit.
People like you who threaten us need to be taken out and shot.
We are adding you to the special "high spam diet."
Hope you like it, jerk.
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people, he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him?
He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the cypherpunks list by someone. And yes, I can blame him for being clueless. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:20:23PM -0700, petro wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote:
I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask you for your spam. This time I am asking it kindly, next time I wont ask it this way.
Do your best, you fucking twit.
People like you who threaten us need to be taken out and shot.
We are adding you to the special "high spam diet."
Hope you like it, jerk.
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people, he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him?
He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the cypherpunks list by someone.
OK. Still, he's getting unwanted email, and it's not his fault (I assume).
And yes, I can blame him for being clueless.
Clueless how? Because he hadn't heard of the cypherpunks list? Or is there some other reason he's clueless? - -- Nathan Saper (natedog@well.com) | http://www.well.com/user/natedog/ GnuPG (ElGamal/DSA): 0x9AD0F382 | PGP 2.x (RSA): 0x386C4B91 Standard PGP & PGP/MIME OK | AOL Instant Messenger: linuxfu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE57kaN2FWyBZrQ84IRAhScAKC/Dtx0+PmBHqet683PL1rjulpPJwCgtjAc jvanZ8YDImxw5PDks78RFNU= =R624 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Come on, lighten up. The guy's receiving spam, and like most people, he gets pissed about it. So he sends a nasty email to the address in the From: line of the spams. Can you blame him?
He's not getting spam. He's been subscribed to the cypherpunks list by someone.
OK. Still, he's getting unwanted email, and it's not his fault (I assume).
And yes, I can blame him for being clueless.
Clueless how? Because he hadn't heard of the cypherpunks list? Or is there some other reason he's clueless?
The Cypherpunks list is a mailing list. There is a very small variation in the ways one gets on and off mailing lists. If he doesn't realize he's on a mailing list, that is cluelessness. If he *does* realize this, he should be able to figure out relatively quickly how to get off the mailing list. That he can't is cluelessness. He is calling it spam. It is not spam. That is cluelessness. He is threatening people. People he doesn't know. That is clueless in a dangerous way. You are defending an ignoramus. That is also clueless. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural
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Tim May