To: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com> From: edyson@edventure.com (Esther Dyson) Subject: Re: Were you really spamming people? I'm surprised. Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:14:13 -0500

You might as well. It won't fix anything, I'm sure, but at least I had the courage to respond. And what I say below is the truth; we still do talk about this internally and I'm not sure what's the ideal approach. (A number of people *do* say what you said: It's interesting to know what I'm up to. I respond to everyone who responds to the mailing other than bounces.) So, yes, I'd be happy to engage in argument (as opposed to flaming).

Esther

At 10:42 AM 10/29/00 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:

...

Esther - thanks. Actually, no need to remove me; while I'm not going to subscribe to Release 1.0, it's still interesting to know what you're doing. Is it ok if I forward your mail on to Cypherpunks, or alternatively to Tim?

Thanks; Bill

At 08:37 AM 10/29/00 -0500, Esther wrote:

...

Your definition may vary, but yes, we sent out a mailing to people who one way or another have given me cards, corresponded with me, etc. I don't honestly know how Tim got onto our list, but we'll take him off right away.

In fact, as you can see below, we invite people to ask to be removed, and if they do, we remove them immediately. (It's nicer when they ask us directly, but we'll treat this as a removal request from both you and Tim!)

And yes, this troubles me a little, but overall I am more concerned about the use of confidential data to invade someone's privacy, than about the issue of spam. (I get enough of it, especially over ICANN, to know that it's annoying.....but harmless.) I'm on record that people should (and will) be able to filter their own spam, but that they do need to be able to rely on promises of confidentiality when they deal with others. That's a somewhat different issue.

Esther

At 01:21 AM 10/29/00 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:

...

Hi, Esther - this message got sent to the Cypherpunks list, and several other people pointed to references about you sending out advertising email to people other than your conference attendees or people who'd requested more information. I'm really surprised - it doesn't sound like something you'd do.

Also, I tried to check out the release1-0.com web site, and it said something about the RPC server being too busy.

Thanks; Bill Stewart

... [Tim's message, deleted]

HIGH-TECH-FORUM, BARCELONA, NOVEMBER 1 TO 3 http://www.edventure.com/htforum2000.html

Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! chairman, EDventure Holdings chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers edyson@edventure.com 1 (212) 924-8800 -- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor) New York, NY 10011 USA http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org

PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona

Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639