Re: "Forest Fire" responsible for a 2.5mi *mushroom cloud*?
At 12:01 AM 9/12/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
"No big deal"? Who are they kidding?
JAT, any large explosion will create a mushroom cloud. Its the blast wave reflecting off the ground that lifts the thing, plus the buoyancy of the hot gasses. If it *were* a nuke, it would be easy to detect --from Vera gamma-ray satellites staring at the earth to optical sensors (there's a characteristic nonlinear time-course of optical emissions) to fallout monitors, ground and plane based. Time will tell, and it certainly could have been a nuke (they have the SNMs), but if you do it, you talk about it, much like the Indi/Pakis did. And you can't hide a surface burst, or even a large belowground test --and an underground test that vents to the atmosphere doesn't make such a big cloud. Nukepunk
At 11:45 AM 9/12/2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Time will tell, and it certainly could have been a nuke (they have the SNMs), but if you do it, you talk about it, much like the Indi/Pakis did. And you can't hide a surface burst, or even a large belowground test --and an underground test that vents to the atmosphere doesn't make such a big cloud.
When the Israeli / South African nuke test was done, they didn't talk about it, they pretended it hadn't happened, and the US government, at least publicly, has continued to pretend that we don't know that Israel has weapons of Mass Destruction.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 12:01 AM 9/12/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
"No big deal"? Who are they kidding?
JAT, any large explosion will create a mushroom cloud. Its the blast wave reflecting off the ground that lifts the thing, plus the buoyancy of the hot gasses.
Yes, I understand all this - mushroom cloud != nuclear explosion.
If it *were* a nuke, it would be easy to detect --from Vera gamma-ray satellites staring at the earth to optical sensors (there's a characteristic nonlinear time-course of optical emissions) to fallout monitors, ground and plane based.
Which _I_ do not have access to ;-)
Time will tell,
Exactly.
and it certainly could have been a nuke (they have the SNMs), but if you do it, you talk about it, much like the Indi/Pakis did.
If I were in Jong's slippers, I would not discuss it - I would just do it, and let everyone draw their own [obvious] conclusion. Remember, his pattern has been to only discuss things (even when already obvious to everyone else) only when _he_ felt like it.
And you can't hide a surface burst, or even a large belowground test
This conflicts somewhat with a previously expressed opinion (Shaddack?). I was under the impression that underground tests, unless performed with very tiny nukes at very great depth, produced visible clouds from the blast waves.
--and an underground test that vents to the atmosphere doesn't make such a big cloud.
Nukepunk
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Bill Stewart wrote:
When the Israeli / South African nuke test was done, they didn't talk about it, they pretended it hadn't happened, and the US government, at least publicly, has continued to pretend that we don't know that Israel has weapons of Mass Destruction.
And it is without question in Shrubs best interests to "not notice" if the two Koreas just became a nuclear playground. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them." Osama Bin Laden - - - "There aught to be limits to freedom!" George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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