Dear Sir, We request to draw your kind attention that we are one of the feading importers of Pakistan.We belive in planed and organised sale promotion through trained field staffs,preferably where we have sole agencies. Our business is of scientific & laboratory equipments,electric & electronic measuring equipments,agriculture equipments, NUCLEAR INSTRUMENTS and educational instruments . We are great intrested to enhanse business deal with your esteemed firm if we could get encouragement and coopration from your side. At present we are deeply intrested in SURVEY METERS , as we have received a tender enquiry from government department{NIAB FAISALABAD} whose last date is 14-12-2000 , the specification are given bellow:- i. Survey Meters, G.M.Sintilation detector, Threshold: 30MV +/- 10mV Meter dial: 0-2mT/hr and multiplier[X01,X1, X10,X100] (OR EQUIVALENT ANY MODELS) We know that you are one of few biggest manufacturers of the world,so that your are requested to plese inform us the prices on FAX or E.Mail and despatch us original brochures/litratures/leaflets of all type of above cited items by POST MAIL for our customers and endusers. We also request you to please despatch us your latest general catalogue comprehensive leaflets of all of your products those are under your export programme with latest pricelist and discount schedule, after rceving the litratures we can be able to creat the demand of your products through out Pakistan. Thanking and hoping to receive your earliest reply in this regards with best wishes. Best Regards. Anis Ahmad Sheikh(M.Sc Physics) Managing Director. Mailing/Postal address:- G.R.A. TRADING COMPANY, 13-ABKARI ROAD (ANARKALI) LAHORE-54000 PAKISTAN. PH; +92-42-7321688/7240189 FAX: +92-42 724 8358 E.MAIL gra@lhr.paknet.com.pk.
I was 99% sure that these posts were some sort of spam-scam, whose purpose I didn't quite get. (Am I falling for it by replying?) And about 1% doubtful that it might be a genuine company who had somehow been tricked into sending mail to toad. In which case, if you are reading this, know that your mail got sent to an obsolete gateway to a discussion list on the political and economic effects of new communication technologies & cryptography and we don't now anything about scintillation meters (I haven't used one since September). But what if, just what if, it is some crazy snoop trying to fish for illegal arms dealers? Are they that crass? Are they that imaginative? Do they really have that much time and money to play with? Are these the sort of people who have been so successful in getting Iraq to disarm? (if there are any intelligence agents reading this, that last bit was an example of "irony". This paragraph is "sarcasm". You need to know about those things to decode communications between civilians. Look it up in the handbook. It will be in the exam.) Ken
At 09:29 AM 11/29/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote:
I was 99% sure that these posts were some sort of spam-scam, whose purpose I didn't quite get. (Am I falling for it by replying?)
we don't now anything about scintillation meters (I haven't used one since September).
We may or may not know anything about detecting radiation but we are *certainly* amused at clueless Pakis shopping for meters for their government. Think I'll start looking for some KI again.. Or maybe it *was* an appropriate post and the Pakis want to build radiation-based RNGs... yeah, that's the ticket.
At 02:18 PM 11/29/00 +0000, Ken Brown wrote:
I was 99% sure that these posts were some sort of spam-scam, whose purpose I didn't quite get. (Am I falling for it by replying?) ... But what if, just what if, it is some crazy snoop trying to fish for illegal arms dealers? Are they that crass? Are they that imaginative? Do they really have that much time and money to play with? Are these the sort of people who have been so successful in getting Iraq to disarm?
I thought it was entertaining - usually we get kiddies trolling for how to make little b*mbs. This one's trolling for help in making really big ones :-) My opinions on where most of the abuse comes from range from - Kiddies who actually want to make b*mbs or other K00L Anarkey Stuff. Telling their ISPs or their moms is probably a good approach. - Kiddies who've got something scrawled on a virtual bathroom wall saying that it's fun to tweak the cypherpunks mailing list, kind of like kids share which grumpy old neighbor really gets torqued if you ring his doorbell and run away. - Cops, clueless or otherwise, trolling for business. Some of them may just be looking for kiddies, or some may actually think we're a worthwhile provocateur target. - Cypherpunks sending Hidden Stego Messages in the b*mb requests :-) - Variations on the "subscribe the cypherpunks list to lots of spam" guys. I suspect it's mainly the second group. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Bill Stewart wrote:
- Cops, clueless or otherwise, trolling for business. Some of them may just be looking for kiddies, or some may actually think we're a worthwhile provocateur target.
Simply asking for and receiving bomb info is not a crime. However, if you were to say carry on a private conversation or help provide parts with such a person then the whole game changes; conspiracy. Where you'd fuck up in this situation would be in carrying on any sort of private email exchange outside of 'go the hell away punk'. It's also no big deal to buy such books at the local bookstore. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Jim Choate wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Bill Stewart wrote:
- Cops, clueless or otherwise, trolling for business. Some of them may just be looking for kiddies, or some may actually think we're a worthwhile provocateur target.
Simply asking for and receiving bomb info is not a crime. However, if you were to say carry on a private conversation or help provide parts with such a person then the whole game changes; conspiracy. Where you'd fuck up in this situation would be in carrying on any sort of private email exchange outside of 'go the hell away punk'.
It's also no big deal to buy such books at the local bookstore.
Whoever said that law enforcement officials actually had a clue as to what the law said anyways? All you have to do it get an emotional issue like "bombs" or "kid porn" (or anything else that gets the average person's brain to stop thinking rationally) and add "the Internet" to it and you have a "means-of-promotion" case for some publicity seaking DA. Then, when it gets let go because of lack of illegality, you have yet another group of publicity hounds screaming "There Ought To Be A Law!". The press will report it because it is emotional and it scares people. (That is what local and national news ratings are based on.) It will then be repeated with the next case when the previous one fails to get the proper emotional support. People are easily lead into tirrany when they allow themselves to be lead by people exploiting their emotions and their hatred of others. alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Alan Olsen wrote:
Whoever said that law enforcement officials actually had a clue as to what the law said anyways? All you have to do it get an emotional issue like "bombs" or "kid porn" (or anything else that gets the average person's brain to stop thinking rationally) and add "the Internet" to it and you have a "means-of-promotion" case for some publicity seaking DA. Then, when it gets let go because of lack of illegality, you have yet another group of publicity hounds screaming "There Ought To Be A Law!". The press will report it because it is emotional and it scares people. (That is what local and national news ratings are based on.) It will then be repeated with the next case when the previous one fails to get the proper emotional support.
People are easily lead into tirrany when they allow themselves to be lead by people exploiting their emotions and their hatred of others.
Which is only one more reason to honor the requests for bomb info (never mind the 1st or 2nd). There are no angels among men. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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