Hi... I haven't posted much here, but I've been lurking for quite some time. On the issue of "lost focus" and a return to projects, I'd like to ask about some of the projects that were/are underway from a while ago. Some months back, there was a push to get kits together for different non-technical persons needing access to privacy, anonymity, digital signatures, crypto, etc... such as journalists, political activists, religious groups, terro^H^H^H^H^Hetc. This is an idea I am very interested in, and I'm wondering if it's still ongoing. It seems to gel well with the proposed cd-rom collection (I think some shareware/PD distributors might be talked into a multi-disk privacy distribution set, perhaps with some basic utils like antiviruses/text-editors/defraggers as a "must have" basic start-up kit). Could one of the major FTP sites be persuaded to maintain a privacy/anonymity section that didn't put them in a legally tenuous position? No PGP, perhaps but articles (with sample code?), steganographic utils, etc. Maybe some front ends for popular remailers/encryption utils. What about digital cash? I thought some ongoing experiments testing ease- of-use/speed etc. started up (or were announced) about six months ago? (I lost net access for about three months a while back, so I may have missed preliminary results.) I think that this is a fertile area for trial balloons based on games. Set up a server with several games being managed (possibly as either lists or CC-groups or with human moderators) and use secure digital cash protocals(sp?) both within a game and between games... sounds like the FBI (Flying Buffalo, Inc) Illuminati PBM and other PBM's with requirements to progress from one game to another would serve as a useful model.... Gnomic or Elusius(sp? the research-based cardgame from one of the Penrose books, I believe) would serve as an excellent test for popular secure anonymous voting by non-programmers. All in all, gamers are excellent sources of guinea pigs, and usually quite willing (hmmm... how about handing out disk packs at SF/Gamer cons?... MANY gamers are computer users and they can be counted on the use the programs in their PBEM games, spreading them on to other BBSing Gamers while they're at it... maybe I can test this here in Tucson). I think that just getting dialog generated will spark most of us to get work done. I feel, personally, that the cypherpunks remailers need some spec-work done and the specs published more openly, and similar work done with steganographic tools, etc. We need more active, reputation-building anonymous Usenetters, people who want to create such identities need to feel that THEY can control the tools they will be using. Are the pools still active? Can a set of games be developed that model crypto/anonymity/steg? rec.games.abstract is a wonderful source of ideas and shows what can be done with an abstract idea (play both gnomic and elesius sometime!). What we need is a list of projects that people are interested in/working on, with some communication about how they're going. We have no dearth of ideas, or people, or interest. It's the assumption that either, someone else is already doing it (a bad attitude among the hacker-types that abound here, reminds me of a SF story where a bunch of ship captians are put in a simulator to see who gets a big promotion. The simulator is wretched, has too many little (useless) lights, the AC blows in your eyes, the sound is WAY too loud, etc. Everyone fails, all making the same complaints and telling them how to redesign the simulator. The promotion goes to the guy who tapes up the redundant lights, puts cardboard over the AC and turns the speakers to face outward... the wanted a commander who would actually FIX things, not make orders) Cypherpunks aren't bery organised, nor should we be, but having some lists of what some of us want to do, who's doing what, and what some of us are thinking/worried about might be very helpful. Hmmm. maybe someone should see if a regular digest of what's ACTUALLY being said/done on the list, for reference, would go over well... This week we discussed: a) pagers and ping... most think it's a myth b) T-Shirts (list of popular ideas for shirts) c) Digital democracy debates d) meetings e) focus F) Someone is installing and will probably be reporting on an encryption virus in the PD... there's some talk of a commented dis-assembly being made. g) the Phantom mailer when down (am I remembering this right? This is off-the-cuff) h) California law being decided NOW about online access to current legislative agenda. Get your viewpoint in before the 18th. i) NSA asked for one year on the FOIA request about MYK78/80 (again, pardonany misinformation, take NONE of this as gospel... check the archives). j) <more> with any reports on ongoing games/projects/running gags,etc. Hmmm... some comments on this idea. a) We've done a lot more this week than I'd noticed. b) it may be more bandwidth than many want (but a CC list is easy to maintain for those that want it, or it could be dropped in to archives and left to rot until someone cares enough to retieve it). c) it's pretty easy to make. d) it will be, to some extent, subjective. e) I make too many lists... probably a sign of something about my poddy training, I suppose. f) I'm rambling. When the kits idea was first kicked around, I expressed support (I think... the message may have been lost by my mailer before it reached the list... that happens here at launchpad), but offered no other help or support, a I was just starting a new job. Well, now I'm about to be fired, so I have a bit of free time (oh well, never set out to write Nintendo games, anyway.... sigh). I suspect that we're not actually being stagnant at all. Maybe not even taking a breather. Seth Morris (Seth.Morris@launchpad.unc.edu) PS. T-shirt ideas: "We watch the Watchmen" and "Wiretapping is Privacy; Censorship is Freedom; Publicity is Anonymity: 1994 -- the eight was a typo." "We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer