-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: "Faustine" <faustine@lokmail.net> Marcel wrote:

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did have nightmares about the Constitution. Not as a piece of paper dancing around on Mickey Mouse legs or whatever the hell you're getting at, but as an idea repersenting the rule of law that was going to lead to them being jailed for murder. Which unfortunately never happened, but so it goes.

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Thanks for proving my point. (For the intellectually impaired: the Constitution never DOES anything. Your magical belief in its virtues is equivalent to pagan's beliefs in idols: they accomplish nothing. A law must be backed by force - and it's the FORCE that does this or that, not the law.)

Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you here at all-- and in fact, I made a similar point in a discussion here a week or so ago. The rule of law is worthless without a mechanism to back it up; what could be more obvious? But without it the weak, stupid, moral and isolated are entirely at the mercy of the strong, clever, ruthless and organized. Without the Constitution, the government would be nothing more (and no better than) an incredibly powerful gang. You think there's abuse of power now, what do you suppose would happen with no law to stand in their way of stamping out whoever they damn well pleased? If there were no law and you opposed such a monstrous supergang, do you really expect you would come out ahead? Or even stay alive? How? Serious questions.

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I'm not objecting to the language; English is fine. I'm objecting to delusions. Laws don't ACT, no matter what language you're using.

I never said they did: through the mechanism of the judicial system (backed up by the aptly named "law enforcement") they serve as a check on people acting to destroy society. The Founders had it right all along, you can't blame them for the complete hash subsequent administrations made of the American system.

You should rely more on your guns and less on your papers.

Isn't that precisely what all corrupt, evil and tyrranical police and statist government officials everywhere say? I'm sure Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and every two-bit petty dictator since the beginning of time would agree with you. ~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - -Thomas Paine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPB+vo/g5Tuca7bfvEQLSFACcCuN0NM2UEWtPkgou4xXppoAXyisAn33d CLiHC5fnhluRssyTeCE9XGzr =ISWp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----