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From: "Meyer Wolfsheim" Marcel wrote:

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I think the Constitution was the biggest curse ever cast on you. Every time something bad happens, you use these magic words

Smells like entrapment, though. like "entrapment" or

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"protected by the first ammendment" and so on, instead of shooting the criminals.

And shooting innocent people too. And anyone who opposes those in power whether they're innocent or not.

I think the United States Constitution was the biggest blessing ever cast on mankind. Not a blessing from "on high", but from men who had the courage of their convictions.

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The Constitution, by making you look at it like the some sacred Mr. Fix-It-All, made you all into wimps.

Fuck that. You ought to be be grateful: if it weren't for the Constitution, the US would have taken over your little country and the rest of the world with it a long, long time ago. That kind of gross totalitarian imperialism is all anyone has to look forward to in a US without what's left of the Constitution.

Something to think about.

~Faustine.

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[The prosperity of the United States] is not the result of accident. It has a philosophic cause. Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these are not the primary cause of our great prosperity. There is something back of these, entwining itself more closely about the human heart. That something, is the principle of "Liberty to all" -- the principle that clears the path for all -- gives hope to all -- and, by consequence, enterprise and industry to all.

The expression of that principle, in our Declaration of Independence, was most happy, and fortunate. Without this, as well as with it, we could have declared our independence of Great Britain; but without it, we could not, I think, have secured our free government and consequent prosperity. The assertion of that principle, at that time, was the word "fitly spoken" which has proven an "apple of gold" to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple -- not the apple for the picture.

So let us act, that neither picture, or apple shall ever be blurred, bruised or broken.

That we may so act, we must study, and understand the points of danger.

Abraham Lincoln Fragmentary Writing, c. 1858

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From: "Faustine"

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I think the Constitution was the biggest curse ever cast on you. Every time something bad happens, you use these magic words like "entrapment" or "protected by the first ammendment" and so on, instead of shooting the criminals.

And shooting innocent people too. And anyone who opposes those in power whether they're innocent or not.

Dumb Faustine, you usually make sense. I'm an anarchist - I am AGAINST those in power. (And I don't believe THEY are ever innocent.)

Fuck that. You ought to be be grateful: if it weren't for the Constitution, the US would have taken over your little country and the rest of the world with it a long, long time ago.

Funny, we wanted that for over 50 years. We were waiting for the Americans to come and rescue us from the Russians they previously sold us to. Now, just when I woke up, the US starts to conquer the world... or at least tries to.

That kind of gross totalitarian imperialism is all anyone has to look forward to in a US without what's left of the Constitution.

I have an idiot on another list who believes "there should be a law" is the solution for everything. Laws never did anything. The Constitution is some words on a paper. It's an idea. It works only as long as politicians fear it - which they didn't starting at least with Lincoln.

[The prosperity of the United States] is not the result of accident. It has a philosophic cause. Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these are not the primary cause of our great prosperity.

Of course not; they are the cause of your decay. The UNION??? Who is this idiot? Oh, wait, it's Lincoln. Yeah, that definitely proves it - what was I thinking? Mark