Re: "Terror in the Skies, Again?"
Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. -TD
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv@cdc.gov> To: "cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> Subject: Re: "Terror in the Skies, Again?" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:36:21 -0700
At 02:19 PM 7/16/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
I don't quite know what to make of this. Is it just paranoid rambling?
http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1&articleid=711
What I experienced during that
flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats.
Ask the American citizens interned in California during WWII..
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Tyler Durden wrote:
Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck.
Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline.
Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? (*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, ken wrote:
Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck.
Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline.
Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits.
Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers?
(*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)
The article was reprinted in the News Review section of yesterday's Sunday Times (which Americans seem to prefer calling "the London Times"). -- Jim Dixon jdd@dixons.org tel +44 117 982 0786 mobile +44 797 373 7881 http://jxcl.sourceforge.net Java unit test coverage http://xlattice.sourceforge.net p2p communications infrastructure
At 03:52 AM 7/26/2004, ken wrote:
Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers?
The flight attendant didn't identify which six people were air marshals, and since the normal number of them ranges from zero to two per flight, she was almost certainly just lying to calm down the troublesome passenger (who definitely had no class, middle or otherwise.) One of the entertaining followup items from this event was that, yes, the group of ~14 Syrian musicians were really just musicians on tour, but in fact their visas had expired about 3 weeks earlier, though the TSA thugs who interrogated them after they arrived didn't notice it. I was surprised they were musicians - I'd expected them to have been a soccer team, and I've been on enough airplanes with sports teams on them that their behavior sounds totally typical. And Middle Easterners flying out of Detroit? What a surprise! (Detroit's one of the main places that Arab immigrants move.) Anne Jacobsen, prejudiced white columnist, wrote
What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats.
And she's obviously in favor of "protection", whether or not it takes a police state to do it.
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