[somelist: Questions about the illegal wiretaps]
At 2/6/2006 04:47 AM, A**** A. G**** wrote:
Let's face it, there's no way that Bush supporters are going to care if the wiretaps are illegal. We have to convince them that they are lousy policy. Fortunately, there's one thing about these wiretaps that makes it easy to argue that.
It's fucking stupid.
Here is a list of questions that I would like to see asked about these wiretaps:
1. How much money have we spent on this program? 2. How much is that per taxpayer? 3. According to the Washington Post, we had a backlog of hundreds of thousands of hours of untranslated wiretaps. Do we still have this backlog? 4. What's the point of conducting wiretaps when we can't translate them? 5. How many translators could we have hired for the price of this program? 6. In your opinion, which would make us safer--more translators, or more untranslated wiretaps? [etc]
You miss the point. Money is no object; they can quibble over a dime for an aspirin for a poor person, but ten billion for a military project is a rounding error. This is cheaper than ten billion. Besides, American suck at math, especially Republicans. They are not manually listening to the conversations. They are not mostly conversations in foreign languages. They are bulk-tapping the circuits flowing in and out of the United States, and selectively tapping Americans' phones. Most of these calls are in English. To decipher the calls, they use the advanced stored-voice-recognition technology that BBN developed for them, then so cleverly exposed to the world in Podzinger. Treat these stored phone calls as podcasts and have a roomful of Opterons decode them, then search them for "interesting" content. Again, it's all on display on Podzinger, except that those were meant to be listened to by the public at large. AMD probably makes a lot of money at this too. Maybe even Intel gets to supply the kit for some of this covert intel. Finally, because these were not sent to the FISA court, it can be assumed that they would not have passed the FISA test, which basically consists of telling a judge what you want to do and not having the judge die of laughter on the spot. The FISA court has rejected six out of 16,000 requests. So what are they listening for? I am quite convinced that the primary goal was to collect political intelligence. They probably were getting good intel on the Kerry campaign, on some tight Senate races, and on the overall Democratic Party operations. Since the Google-like search technology allows the system's user to search for essentially anything, and play back just the calls of interest, they had access to a wealth of political information. The WaPo apparently claims that the FISA-risky activity was doing data mining on suspicious patterns of behavior, profiling massive numbers of callers' activities hoping, with little success, to uncover real links to foreign enemies. That was probably the most benign interpretation. But with absolutely no oversight, it's pretty obvious that the wealth of wiretap bulk data so collected could be used in ways that would impress even the most corrupt tinpot despot. The way to get the more marginal Bush-symps to oppose this crime is to suggest that if Bush could do it, so could Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Russ Feingold, or some other future Democratic president. Yeah, President Al Sharpton, give him that power; that'll scare 'em off. -- *****censored******** ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
On 2006-02-12T11:15:11+0000, Eugen Leitl wrote:
I am quite convinced that the primary goal was to collect political intelligence. They probably were getting good intel on the Kerry campaign, on some tight Senate races, and on the overall Democratic Party operations. Since the Google-like search technology allows the system's user to search for essentially anything, and play back just the calls of interest, they had access to a wealth of political information.
How do FISA-approved wiretaps work, anyway? All these NSA-bound collection points... are they always enabled, listening for any interesting traffic? Is non-FISA-warranted intel ditched prior to collection, ditched at NSA, or never ditched? Is the FISA process just: 0. Listen to some conversations. 1. Find something of interest. 2. Go to FISA with a tap request for the parties involved 3. Start flagging subsequently-collected intel with "FISA Approved" 4. Let certain people search the database at any time, but classify anything not FISA-approved as TS/SCI. -- The six phases of a project: I. Enthusiasm. IV. Search for the Guilty. II. Disillusionment. V. Punishment of the Innocent. III. Panic. VI. Praise & Honor for the Nonparticipants.
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