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http://www.foxnews.com/national/1117/d_ap_1117_84.sml # # Group accused of operating bank to defraud IRS # # 10.54 a.m. ET (1609 GMT) November 17, 2000 # # PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - An Oregon-based tax resistance group # operated a "warehouse bank'' that allowed hundreds of people # to illegally conceal income and assets from the IRS, a federal # indictment alleges. # # Six people listed in the indictment were arrested and another # was being sought, authorities said. # # The nine-count indictment filed Wednesday in federal court charges # the seven members of the Christian Patriot Association of # conspiring to defraud the Internal Revenue Service and violate # federal income tax laws. # # Members of the group have declared themselves sovereign citizens # exempt from paying taxes, officials said. # # The illegal bank, operated out a warehouse just east of Portland, # offered customers anonymous banking transactions to conceal income # and assets, according to IRS Special Agent Kathleen Sulmonetti. # Nine hundred customers deposited $186 million in the warehouse # bank with the money then being shuffled into legitimate commercial # bank accounts, she said.
At 11:52 AM -0500 11/17/00, George@orwellian.org forwarded:
http://www.foxnews.com/national/1117/d_ap_1117_84.sml # # Group accused of operating bank to defraud IRS # # 10.54 a.m. ET (1609 GMT) November 17, 2000 # [snip] # The illegal bank, operated out a warehouse just east of Portland, # offered customers anonymous banking transactions to conceal income # and assets, according to IRS Special Agent Kathleen Sulmonetti. # Nine hundred customers deposited $186 million in the warehouse # bank with the money then being shuffled into legitimate commercial # bank accounts, she said.
900 people --> $186M. That's $206K each. That's a lot of money to put into a 'bank'. -- -- Marshall "The era of big government is over." Bill Clinton, State of the Union Address, January 23, 1996 Marshall Clow MusicMatch <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu>
Docket as of November 16, 2000 7:16 pm Page 9 Proceedings include all events. 3:00cr539-ALL USA v. Flowers, et al 11/15/00 1 INDICTMENT by AUSA Jen E Ihlo, Melissa Schraibman. Counts filed against Richard George Flowers (1) count(s) 1, 2-3, Dorothy Lenore Flowers (2) count(s) 1, 2-3, Jeffrey Allen Weakley (3) count(s) 1, 4-5, John David Anderson (4) count(s) 1, 6-7, Ronald William Stacey (5) count(s) 1, 8, Elecia Stacey (6) count(s) 1, 8, Dan Romaine Kirkham (7) count(s) 1, 9 CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES, WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE TAX RETURNS, ATTEMPT TO EVADE AND DEFEAT PAYMENT OF TAX (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 -- PURSUANT to this courts Case Assignment Plan, this case to be assigned to JUDGE GARR M. KING for all further proceedings. (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 2 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Richard George Flowers DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 3 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Dorothy Lenore Flowers DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 4 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Jeffrey Allen Weakley DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 5 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant John David Anderson DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 6 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Ronald William Stacey DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 7 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Elecia Stacey DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] 11/15/00 8 ARREST WARRANT ISSUED for Defendant Dan Romaine Kirkham DETENTION REQUESTED. by Judge Dennis J. Hubel (rupe) [Entry date 11/16/00] ----- First six arrested; Dan Romaine Kirkham, described by the NY Times as a lawyer and physician, is being sought. According to court records several of the defendants had aliases, one "Joseph S Pack."
At 9:07 AM -0800 11/17/00, Marshall Clow wrote:
At 11:52 AM -0500 11/17/00, George@orwellian.org forwarded:
http://www.foxnews.com/national/1117/d_ap_1117_84.sml # # Group accused of operating bank to defraud IRS # # 10.54 a.m. ET (1609 GMT) November 17, 2000 # [snip] # The illegal bank, operated out a warehouse just east of Portland, # offered customers anonymous banking transactions to conceal income # and assets, according to IRS Special Agent Kathleen Sulmonetti. # Nine hundred customers deposited $186 million in the warehouse # bank with the money then being shuffled into legitimate commercial # bank accounts, she said.
900 people --> $186M. That's $206K each. That's a lot of money to put into a 'bank'. --
And a lot of money for "Christian Patriots." Not to belittle either Christians or Patriots, but folks like this typically have problems making the monthly payments on their double-wides. Smells fishy, so to speak. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Because the vote is so close, the outcome depends entirely on a multitude of judgment calls about which votes count, and which are counted, and how they shall be counted. The normal procedure in England and the democracies descended from England, or imposed by English troops, is that the major parties reach agreement before and during the vote count, on how the votes shall be counted. In the US however, you have a multitude of laws, laws which contradicted each other, and contradicted actual practice. For example a lot of perfectly good absentee ballots that were presented by the military in accord with the usual military practice were rejected this time because they did not comply with the letter of the law, even though they complied with custom and practice. The cause of the uncertainty is judicial imperialism. It is often said that Americans are litigious,but the cause of this destructive litigation is judicial willingness to unpredictably overturn existing practice.
-- At 9:07 AM -0800 11/17/00, Marshall Clow wrote:
900 people --> $186M. That's $206K each. That's a lot of money to put into a 'bank'.
Tim May:
And a lot of money for "Christian Patriots."
Not to belittle either Christians or Patriots, but folks like this typically have problems making the monthly payments on their double-wides.
You have been reading too many commie/liberal/anti-gun rants. You are pretty similar in income and intellectual attainment to a great many people in the patriot movement. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 60/07D6jrqXCHQGb8lk3fFJwRERdNolY8aRjsmYR 4ey9x3MMMjUOYGqxtsKKKipXSDVjRFMwG06jKTd+e
At 11:52 AM 11/17/00 -0500, George@orwellian.org wrote:
# The illegal bank, operated out a warehouse just east of Portland, # offered customers anonymous banking transactions to conceal income # and assets, according to IRS Special Agent Kathleen Sulmonetti. # Nine hundred customers deposited $186 million in the warehouse # bank with the money then being shuffled into legitimate commercial # bank accounts, she said.
That sounds a lot like the DEA estimates of how much the street value of marijuana plants are ("Let's see, under ideal conditions this plant could produce 2 kilos of product, and the highest price we've ever seen for dope was $X/ounce, so this flat of 2" high seedlings is worth FIVE MILLION DOLLARS!") I bet the counted or double-counted the money any time anything moved. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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