"2. Vietnam we lost by kicking their asses so badly that our campuses "revolted", at the behest of a bunch of marxists. Whereupon we packed up, partied for about 15 years, and killed their communist sugar daddies in Moscow with just the *possibility* we could invent something strategic missile defense, they couldn't copy fast enough." Are you trollin' m'friend, or have you been smokin' James Donald's ground up toenails? -TD Mao accused the US of being a "paper tiger", and there may be some truth to that.

From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>, cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: Re: This Memorable Day Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:05:19 -0500

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At 7:33 AM -0800 11/3/04, John Young wrote:

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The US has not won since WW2.

Nope. Not at all.

1. Korea we lost by shoving the commies all the way up to the Yalu river. And then leaving them to fester behind a still-extant DMZ until they're almost enough of a "nuisance", to lots of people, including the now-almost-former-communist Chinese to worry over.

2. Vietnam we lost by kicking their asses so badly that our campuses "revolted", at the behest of a bunch of marxists. Whereupon we packed up, partied for about 15 years, and killed their communist sugar daddies in Moscow with just the *possibility* we could invent something strategic missile defense, they couldn't copy fast enough.

The Cold War we lost by... Wait a minute. We didn't lose. See 1., and 2., above.

That leaves us, what, John? Grenada? Panama? Hell, Columbia? Oh. Right. Lebanon. Tell ya what. Let's start the clock on this war at, say, the assasination of Bobby Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan, include the Beiruit truck bombing by reference as a battle, and see how we stand in a decade or so, shall we?

C'mon, John. Think faster, or something.

Cheers, RAH

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