Libertarians like the folks at the Cato Institute are hardly conservatives.<<
My beef with them is the money they take to lie.Ive given some examples in the last few days that you may have been to busy to respond to.Many so called 'libertarians' are social conservatives.See...http://ri.xu.org/arbalest/alembic2c.html
Getting rid of laws prohibiting prostitution, gambling, obscenity, indecency, prostitution -- these are conservative positions? <<
There are 2 prostitutions? The worst prostitution is not bodily,its taking money to tell lies.The kind jamesd tells.The kind the cato institute retails and many intelligent people such as you get suckered by.Larry flynts probably done a million times more than the cato shills ever did in these areas.Plus they are practically unenforcable online.Window dressing. You
are either with us or with them.<me.>
Yeah, you and George W. Bush. Good example to follow.<<
Polarisation is a nasty business,yet sometimes shit happens.This list may have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some others more in line with the circle of eunuchs approach of the CALCers. Lenin stole anarchist slogans and rode them to absolute power,a dictatorial murderous terror state,based on lies,no anarchist can ever let that happen again.Will ever let happen again.And getting back to your libby pals... http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cato.html where theres smoke...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:
have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some
punk <> anarchy 'punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint. anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either. The black leather and anarchy crap didn't 'happen' on the punk scene until the late 70's and early 80's. In particular the club scene in England (those crazy Brits and their unemployment, crank & horse). When punk really took off (it began in the 60's w/ folks like Iggy Pop and the Stooges) in the early 70's (New York Dolls, Germs, etc.) it was a direct result of the crappy music (if only every Grease soundtrack would self-implode...here's hoping). It was intended to be a return to the 'roots' of rock and roll and to attempt to escape from the large record companies and their contracts. It fathered the current 'indy' music scene. It's also interesting that this is when the 'industrial' music genre began with bands like Throbbing Gristle (ie Genesis P. Orridge) and Einsturzende Neubauten (Go Blixa!!! - You can't build without destroying). At one point P. Orridge was looking to engineer/produce Suzie and the Banshee's first album, Billy Idol told here to stay away from those crazies... Kids... "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." George Santyana "The mouth is the wound of the alphabet. My screams turn back. To lick the wound..." "Blutvergiftung" (Sung backwards) Einsterzende Neubauten -- ____________________________________________________________________ "I throw poo!".....Bumper Sticker of a Funny Monkey The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
* (Cough) Bullshit (cough) * www.m-w.com - type in punk, you get this: Main Entry: 1punk Pronunciation: 'p&[ng]k Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1596 1 archaic : PROSTITUTE 2 [probably partly from 3punk] : NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS 3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c : a youth used as a homosexual partner 4 a : PUNK ROCK b : a punk rock musician c : one who affects punk styles ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:
have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some
punk <> anarchy
'punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint. anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either.
The black leather and anarchy crap didn't 'happen' on the punk scene until the late 70's and early 80's. In particular the club scene in England (those crazy Brits and their unemployment, crank & horse).
When punk really took off (it began in the 60's w/ folks like Iggy Pop and the Stooges) in the early 70's (New York Dolls, Germs, etc.) it was a direct result of the crappy music (if only every Grease soundtrack would self-implode...here's hoping). It was intended to be a return to the 'roots' of rock and roll and to attempt to escape from the large record companies and their contracts. It fathered the current 'indy' music scene.
It's also interesting that this is when the 'industrial' music genre began with bands like Throbbing Gristle (ie Genesis P. Orridge) and Einsturzende Neubauten (Go Blixa!!! - You can't build without destroying). At one point P. Orridge was looking to engineer/produce Suzie and the Banshee's first album, Billy Idol told here to stay away from those crazies...
Kids...
"Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it."
George Santyana
"The mouth is the wound of the alphabet. My screams turn back. To lick the wound..."
"Blutvergiftung" (Sung backwards) Einsterzende Neubauten
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"I throw poo!".....Bumper Sticker of a Funny Monkey
The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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