Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
At 03:21 PM 9/26/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: At 09:51 AM 9/26/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: (For the curious, it is not a violation of the carry laws to have a handgun on one's person in one's own property, even, interestingly, a tent. Unless barred by other laws (National Parks, etc.).
So, if I wear an assembled tent and walk down main street
Nice try. The law actually refers to temporary housing or some such. Thus, when you drive down the road in your RV, it's a motor vehicle. When you park for the night, it's your home. S a n d y
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of keyser-soze@hushmail.com Sent: 26 September, 2001 16:13 To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
At 03:21 PM 9/26/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: At 09:51 AM 9/26/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: (For the curious, it is not a violation of the carry laws to have a handgun on one's person in one's own property, even, interestingly, a tent. Unless barred by other laws (National Parks, etc.).
So, if I wear an assembled tent and walk down main street
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 04:18 PM, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Nice try. The law actually refers to temporary housing or some such. Thus, when you drive down the road in your RV, it's a motor vehicle. When you park for the night, it's your home.
S a n d y
-----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On Behalf Of keyser-soze@hushmail.com Sent: 26 September, 2001 16:13 To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
At 03:21 PM 9/26/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: At 09:51 AM 9/26/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: (For the curious, it is not a violation of the carry laws to have a handgun on one's person in one's own property, even, interestingly, a tent. Unless barred by other laws (National Parks, etc.).
So, if I wear an assembled tent and walk down main street
Sandy is of course right. I almost added a parenthetical remark to my "tent" point about how RVs, for example, are only "homes" for the purposes of this law when _parked_ (and maybe when parked for the purposes of sleeping, blah blah). So, no guns not locked up while rolling down the road, or parked at McDonald's for a burger. (Obviously, there is vanishingly small chance of being "caught" if the gun is not brandished. Applies to cars as well.) In this case, the common sense interpretation is what the law actually supports, strangely enough. --Tim May
At 04:18 PM 9/26/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Nice try. The law actually refers to temporary housing or some such. Thus, when you drive down the road in your RV, it's a motor vehicle. When you park for the night, it's your home.
S a n d y
Oy. You confuse things by discussing an RV. The law states that some vehicles may have a 'residential' space even while driving, which space is protected as a residence. Your friends can be drinking ethanol in that space while you drive; this is illegal in Calif. if they're in a car's cabin with you. Similarly with loaded gun sans CCW permit.
David Honig wrote:
Oy. You confuse things by discussing an RV. The law states that some vehicles may have a 'residential' space even while driving, which space is protected as a residence.
I haven't checked out the statutes not the appellate decisions lately. Can you give us a citation? S a n d y
At 11:08 AM 9/27/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
David Honig wrote:
Oy. You confuse things by discussing an RV. The law states that some vehicles may have a 'residential' space even while driving, which space is protected as a residence.
I haven't checked out the statutes not the appellate decisions lately. Can you give us a citation?
Didn't find anything in Calif codes. Might be in case law, where someone argued the livingg section of their RV was not part of the car. Did find this unconstitutional bauble: 401. Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages another to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/369a-402c.html I encourage the author of that law to commit suicide. "Encouraging" is speech.
At 08:44 PM 9/27/01 -0700, David Honig wrote:
At 11:08 AM 9/27/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
David Honig wrote:
Oy. You confuse things by discussing an RV. The law states that some vehicles may have a 'residential' space even while driving, which space is protected as a residence.
I haven't checked out the statutes not the appellate decisions lately. Can you give us a citation?
Didn't find anything in Calif codes. Might be in case law, where someone argued the livingg section of their RV was not part of the car.
It occurs to me that this might be found in the 'open container' ethanol laws. I might have picked this up from traffic school years ago; I could be transferring the concept to firearms. dh
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