Come on Onin, watch the numbers skyrocket after Bush signs off on Ashcroft's wet dream. The US has the most bloated "justice" industry in the world, far bigger than any in history, and the spate of bills appearing will fatten these pigs beyond anything seen in the commie and fascist regimes. We are seeing the militarization of the US homeland, following the coup-pattern of a huge number of dipshit nations in Latin America, Asia, Africa and dots in the oceans which the US has armed and trained to attack the citizenry. Don't forget the US Joint Chiefs of Staff in the late 60s was studying murdering US citizens, and blaming it on the Cubans, to justify an attack on Castro. Would today's war criminals cook up a bin Laden version of Castrao? Yeah, they would if their economic interests were threatened. Watch for increasing provocations at home and overseas. Step by step ratcheting up the national security threat, as Tim and others have predicted. With economic threats being the glue that holds it together. The economic stimulus package just passed is the clue to broadening participation in the coup, again the same way corporations were enlisted to, and in some case led, overthrow of legitimate governments all around the globe. Watch for Americans who protest begin to disappear, in jail and on the streets. Watch for tales of torture to be leaked to scare the shit out of those who think defending civil liberties carries no risk. Will officials be shot in retaliation for official torture, rape and murder? Well, that's the Latin American model, and look who trained for that grim policy, what was it called, School of the Americas. Watch for Kissinger to advocate anti-terrorism mayhem so he won't be tried as a war criminal. Watch for Israel to leak more NSA intercepts of Arab leaders through Seymour Hersh. Watch for Woolsey to admit that spying on Amercians by the intelligence agencies never stopped after the Church Committee hearings, it just went blacker. Watch the intelligence oversight committees get investigated for negligence, excused by the anti-terrorism fervor, then even deeper domestic spying be covertly authorized cloaked by the Ashcroft kind. Watch for the intelligence agencies doing wet work at home, with leaks of the deeds to sow fear, suspicion of neighbors and obedience. Watch Disney's theme parks, Malls of America, be sacrificed to boost the hysteria, intelligence leads on the coming slaughter deliberately withheld in the Franklin Roosevelt model. The US has trained two generations of Americans to do all these things covertly and overtly, invested a big hunk of the nation's wealth in a bloated military and intelligence and justice regime and supporting industry providing lifelong employment for hundreds of thousands and return on investments for ten times that. Will such a vast, lucrative enterprise not do whatever it could to perpetuate its existence by finding an endless supply of enemies, most home grown for that very purpose? The only question is are you part of it, and who here does not benefit from this vile racket? If you have been to college you are a beneficiary, if you are successful you are a beneficiary, if you are not in jail you are a beneficiary. Excuse me for digging my foxhole deeper. At 02:31 PM 10/25/01 -0700, you wrote:

hm yes, you are correct. he wasnt incarcerated. never mind that other part then.

but in all candor, dont ya think that if a guy is there who SHOULDNT be there, he wouldnt be there after a decent timeframe of investigation?

notwithstanding other manners of recent injustices of justice, i.e., Mitnick et al, in this day and age, with '1000' under the microscope, doncha think odds are that some of these guys woulda made it out without incident? holy shit what are the chances that the evidence shows they are complicit?! down to the last one of them! if you were in charge of the 1000 would you take the chance at being just another victim? or do you really go so far as to give them the benefit of the doubt FULLY without seeing the information that holds them in such a nice dark place to begin with? i bet if you had the info, you would keep them there too. i bet if the info was incriminating enough, you would look the other way as well when a little manhandling comes into play.

i dunno.