On Nov 21, 2003, at 8:16 AM, Major Variola (ret.) wrote:

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Secretary of State Kevin Shelley is expected to announce today that as of 2006, all electronic voting machines in California must be able to produce a paper printout that voters can check to make sure their votes are properly recorded.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-shelley21nov21,1,847438.story?

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coll=la-headlines-california

Without the ability to (untraceably, unlinkably, of course) verify

I agree. The paper printout may be unconnected to fraudulent tally numbers produced later for publication. This is better than the literal nothing produced at present. There is a small chance many voters could use there receipts to counter fraudulent tally in low-vote ward. -----Original Message----- From: Roy M. Silvernail [mailto:roy@rant-central.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:12 PM To: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: e voting On Friday 21 November 2003 12:19, Tim May wrote: that

this vote is "in the vote total," and that no votes other than those who actually voted, are in the vote total, this is all meaningless.

Quite true. But given the fact that we don't have that ability *now*, what exactly is the difference? Other than streamlining and centralizing the present distributed corruption?