Re: Multiple passports?
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:05:25 +0000 From: Justin <justin-cypherpunks@soze.net>
If I apply for a new one now, and then apply for a another one once the gov starts RFID-enabling them, will the first one be invalidated? Or can I have two passports, the one without RFID to use, and the one with RFID to play with?
I am not a State Dept person, but my experiences in this are... If you get a new one, the old one has to accompany the application and is invalidated when the new one is issued. (Invalidated by stamping the 'data' page with big red block letters "INVALID".) The old, now invalid is returned with the new one... The only people that I knew that had two passports were those with an "Official" (red) passport or a "Diplomatic" (black) passport. If they wanted to go play tourist, they had to also have a "tourist" (Blue) passport. As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.) Regards, Gregory Hicks
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On 10/30/05, Gregory Hicks <ghicks@cadence.com> wrote:
The only people that I knew that had two passports were those with an "Official" (red) passport or a "Diplomatic" (black) passport. If they wanted to go play tourist, they had to also have a "tourist" (Blue) passport.
I wasn't able to find a reference to support this on http://state.gov, but I know it's possible to get two passports if you plan to travel to both Israel and a country that refuses to admit people with Israeli stamps in their passports. /jgt
On 2005-10-29T21:17:25-0700, Gregory Hicks wrote:
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:05:25 +0000 From: Justin <justin-cypherpunks@soze.net>
If I apply for a new one now, and then apply for a another one once the gov starts RFID-enabling them, will the first one be invalidated? Or can I have two passports, the one without RFID to use, and the one with RFID to play with?
I am not a State Dept person, but my experiences in this are...
As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.)
"The Department intends to begin the electronic passport program in December 2005. The first stage will be a pilot program in which the electronic passports will be issued to U.S. Government employees who use Official or Diplomatic passports for government travel. This pilot program will permit a limited number of passports to be issued and field tested prior to the first issuance to the American traveling public, slated for early 2006. By October 2006, all U.S. passports, with the exception of a small number of emergency passports issued by U.S. embassies or consulates, will be electronic passports." http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2005/05-21284.htm (2005-10-25 Fed. Reg.) It sounds like it's fairly safe to get a new passport after Halloween... at least until January. -- The six phases of a project: I. Enthusiasm. IV. Search for the Guilty. II. Disillusionment. V. Punishment of the Innocent. III. Panic. VI. Praise & Honor for the Nonparticipants.
Gregory Hicks <ghicks@cadence.com> writes:
As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.)
Ahh, but if you get one of the first passports issued then there are likely to still be some teething problems present, leading to sporadic failures of the first batch of RFID devices. I have a funny feeling that this is going to happen to my new passport when it arrives. Peter.
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Gregory Hicks <ghicks@cadence.com> writes:
As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.)
Ahh, but if you get one of the first passports issued then there are likely to still be some teething problems present, leading to sporadic failures of the first batch of RFID devices. I have a funny feeling that this is going to happen to my new passport when it arrives.
Peter.
I don't have a good feeling about this at all. My passport is actually invalid as a form of ID for anyone who checks closely(the BMV did!) because the gov't printed the wrong birthdate on mine! I went to Germany and back just after the embassy attacks in africa(things were on high alert briefly then) with no questions on it. Try to renew my lost drivers license with it and suddenly its a damn problem. As far as I can tell, they used the month of issue as the birth month as well. A small mistake...but obviously an important one. What ways do you suppose there will be for them to screw up these RFID tags? These days ones libel to get branded a terrorist with the wrong info... - -- Chris Clymer - Chris@ChrisClymer.com PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDZnnuyAc5jM0nFbgRAvBaAKDFUH2QFmKJqIk7WYkw5esWUy/MsACgwWvH iHYKEguTdSdU0wRTIeI4lZg= =UyJk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of chris.vcf]
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