Re: The 4th Airliner Shot Down?
Choate wrote:
There was also several eye witnesses that said the first tower was hit by a missile...
I watched on TV a guided missile hit the second tower; this was replayed again and again. Then I saw Kallstrom on TV saying there was no missile, but that "we knew it was not if but when." Though he said "we didn't foresee it exactly this way." I changed my TV-eye-witness testimony immediately, never saw a missile exploding inside the tower. What I saw were two tall buildings collapsing exactly the way intended, without identifiable cause. CIA is working on reenactment that will show there was no lack of intelligence, no reason to suspect anything other than an accident, despite the ususal paranoid ravings. Why, for example, would jet-qualified pilots become involved in terrorist actions? Bin Laden had a jet pilot, trained in the US, who ferried bin Laden's jet from the US to Sudan. After a while he tried to quit the job but a Bin Laden aide threatened the pilot's family. The pilot pondered that then went to the US Embassy to cut a deal to confess what he knew in exchange for getting a new life in the US. We know from the Egypt air crash that some pilots are cooperatively suicidal when their families are at risk.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Young wrote:
Choate wrote:
There was also several eye witnesses that said the first tower was hit by a missile...
I watched on TV a guided missile hit the second tower; this was replayed again and again.
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The airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania was the one where one of the passengers called his family on the cellphone and said (after other things) they were going to try to rush the hijackers. I'm not sure if that's the same plane where the cellphone caller said the hijackers claimed to have a bomb or not, but even if they *said* that it doesn't mean they really had one. So it could have been a bomb, or it could have been a fight in the cockpit. At 11:29 PM 09/11/2001 -0700, John Young wrote:
Why, for example, would jet-qualified pilots become involved in terrorist actions? Bin Laden had a jet pilot, trained in the US, who ferried bin Laden's jet from the US to Sudan. After a while he tried to quit the job but a Bin Laden aide threatened the pilot's family. The pilot pondered that then went to the US Embassy to cut a deal to confess what he knew in exchange for getting a new life in the US.
We know from the Egypt air crash that some pilots are cooperatively suicidal when their families are at risk.
Some of the pilots may also have had family killed by Israel or by US bombings in Iraq or the ten years of blockade -- today's (pre-bombing) Marin County CA paper had an opinion-page column by somebody who just had permits rejected by the US export bureaucrats for water chlorination systems they were trying to export to Iraq; they smuggled them there anyway because unsafe water is *still* the leading cause of death in Iraq. Soldiers who are really angry are sometimes willing to do suicidal attacks.
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Are any sound files of this 911 call available?] http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0109120251sep12.story From the Chicago Tribune 911 call preceded fiery Pennsylvania crash Frantic passenger relates hijacking via cell phone By Julia Keller and Jon Yates, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune news services contributed to this report September 12, 2001 LAMBERTSVILLE, Pa. -- The call came at 9:58 a.m., a frantic message from a passenger aboard United Airlines Flight 93, on a wayward path over western Pennsylvania. [...] Dan Stevens, spokesman for the Westmoreland County Department of Public Safety, said a dispatcher received a 911 call from a man aboard the flight just before 10 a.m. EDT. The man, calling from a cell phone, told the dispatcher the plane had been hijacked. "He repeated that phrase several times," Stevens said. The man told dispatchers the plane "was going down," said Glenn Cramer, a dispatching supervisor at the call center. "He said he heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane." Officials said the call cut off after about one minute. [...] ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************
To my knowledge, no. FBI confiscated the 911 tapes yesterday for analysis and investigation, and wouldn't even confirm that the 911 call had taken place... CNN mentioned that yesterday. D At 11:31 AM -0400 9/12/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Are any sound files of this 911 call available?]
http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0109120251sep12.story
From the Chicago Tribune
911 call preceded fiery Pennsylvania crash
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