While I'm not going to go out on a limb to defend any of Tim's statements, I will say that calling him an anti semite is bullshit. There is a mentality that equates any criticism of Israel or the Israelis with anti semiticism. This is an ugly vile and manipulative way of dealing with one's political enemies. If I criticize Britain or the British government have I criticized its people ? OF course not. Fucking A, what the hell is running loose in people's minds. Israel is no more immune from criticism than Iraq, India, or any of the other tin pot nations in the Third World, or in the First world for that matter. There is nothing sacred about Israel to a goy so we goys reserve the right to criticize it. If I criticize the Saudis am I anti Islamic ? Or anti Semitic, for that matter, considering that Arabs are at least just as much Semitic as Polish immigrants... Tim has a right to say whatsofucking ever he wishes to sya, and he exercises this right frequently. In doing so he alienates Blacks, Jews, Arabs, and little (or big for that matter) Chinese. Such is Tim's *right*. if a particular statement of his stings then its probably because it has some freeeking truth behind it...

"Remember, children of Israel, "Eretz Israel" is not the same thing as "lebensraum," and the suppression of the ragheads in Eretz Israel is merely pest eradication, not the "Final Solution." War is peace, freedom is slavery, and Zionists are libertarians."

To repeat again, there is nothing fucking anti Semitic about this statement, Eretz Israel is the same thing as lebensraum, and if you are incapable of seeing this then feel free to shove the previous statement up your ass. -- "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence" - Mahatma Gandhi

Jim Choate wrote:

Calling him a bigot however isn't.

...if a bigot is someone who disagrees with what you find 'correct.'

Yes you have, the 'government' are the poeple. This schizo view of government as if it was some stand alone entity that decends from the heavens to enslave mankind is what is bullshit.

Not really. Criticizing the government comes down to one of two things: criticizing a particular member of the government or criticizing the policies of the government or some government body. If I say "the FBI is a corrupt bunch of slimeball fucktowels," I haven't criticized the American public, I've criticized the policies of a body of the government which are not necessarily based on the whims of the people. It's nice to _say_ that the government is the people, but in a lot of cases, the government does take on the role of the enslaver---i.e. the wiretapping policies of the FBI, the overstepping of law enforcement, the Drug War, key escrow, etc. -- Riad Wahby rsw@mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105

On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

Jim Choate wrote:

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Calling him a bigot however isn't.

...if a bigot is someone who disagrees with what you find 'correct.'

Not at all. Tim has spoken on many occassions how he feels that any 'special' considerations with respect to handicapped is wrong and that his solution is to not hire them. He has also stated that he felt that the public expulsion of lesbians from a public event was justified. In general Tim's solution to anything that irritates Tim is to shoot it. (Ok, that's a slight exageration; but not by much) Check the archives, you can read it in Tim's own words. You don't, and shouldn't, take my word for it. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote:

True enough. In a free society, this is my choice.

Any "special consideration" mandated by Men with Guns is, of course, wrong. Those pushing such laws have, of course, earned killing.

Unless of course it's Tim who's holding the gun and making the choice. Tim's theory is that he is the only one fit to make decisions about who else is fit. He's a hypocrit as a consequence, everytime he talks about 'freedom from coercion'. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim Choate wrote:

Yes you have, the 'government' are the poeple. This schizo view of government as if it was some stand alone entity that decends from the heavens to enslave mankind is what is bullshit.

"Let's get rid of the government."

"Ok, who do we shoot first?"

This describes the fundamental flaw of anarchy.

I disagree. "the government" is a term for more than the people, even for more than the people making up "the government". lumb them all into a football stadium and you don't have a government - just a bunch of people. there's an organizational structure that makes up "the government", and in most western countries it's stronger than the people - you can basically exchange them all without too much of a change to "the government" (as proven after every election). but change the structure while retaining the people and you end up with something completely different (e.g. germany's transition from the weimar republic to the third reich). in that sense "let's get rid of the government" *can* be interpreted as "let's tear down these structures". it not always *is* meant that way, but it *can*. and of course the opinions about what to replace it with differ a lot. but most of those who are anti-government don't so much say "let's kill president X or minister Y" as rather "the voting system is crap" or "government is bought by the big corporations" or "there should be no authority at all" or something to that effect, which is definitely a *structural* as opposed to a *personal* complaint.