An interesting thread...Hacking Bluetooth
There's some guy ("German Guy") spouting some coherent-sounding conspiracy theories over here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=23&topic=10&message=54181&mpage=1&showdate=12/18/04 I wouldn't normally post something like this, but the guy's done a little bit of homework on a huge variety of topics, so it's really an excellent hoax, seen from a distance. Here's on thing giving me some doubts, though (but of course if this is true he may have just pulled it from Google somewhere): "Here4s another myth: you cannot hack bluetooth from a distance of more than 40 metres. Not true. My technical partner Felix can crack it at over half a kilometre. Which is why he enjoys driving around so much in areas where we know British, American, Israeli or Russian ops are living or working. The great thing about many German cities is that most affordable residences are within metres of the street anyway." Any comments? -TD
Tyler Durden wrote:
There's some guy ("German Guy") spouting some coherent-sounding conspiracy theories over here:
I wouldn't normally post something like this, but the guy's done a little bit of homework on a huge variety of topics, so it's really an excellent hoax, seen from a distance.
Here's on thing giving me some doubts, though (but of course if this is true he may have just pulled it from Google somewhere):
"Here4s another myth: you cannot hack bluetooth from a distance of more than 40 metres. Not true. My technical partner Felix can crack it at over half a kilometre. Which is why he enjoys driving around so much in areas where we know British, American, Israeli or Russian ops are living or working. The great thing about many German cities is that most affordable residences are within metres of the street anyway."
Any comments?
http://www.engadget.com/entry/3093445122266423/ I believe they went a bit over a kilometer at Defcon (against a knowing volunteer, so they say) from a hotel rooftop. The rest sounds perfectly plausible, as well. WEP is Swiss cheese, guys tell their girlfriends too much and girlfriends gossip amongst themselves. Nothing to see here. Move along. -- Roy M. Silvernail is roy@rant-central.com, and you're not "It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss http://www.rant-central.com
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 02:13:52PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
"Here4s another myth: you cannot hack bluetooth from a distance of more than 40 metres. Not true. My technical partner Felix can crack it at over half a kilometre. Which is why he enjoys driving around so much in areas
The official record right now is 1.74 km: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49907 http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_bluebug.html#news No doubt you can do much better with a large dish, and good alignment, as well as a clear line of sight.
where we know British, American, Israeli or Russian ops are living or working. The great thing about many German cities is that most affordable residences are within metres of the street anyway."
Any comments?
Bluetooth attacks aren't exactly new. No idea what else that tinfoil-hatted person is spouting. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Oh no, it gets really interesting. He claims to be an ex-German TLA-type (how many Ls do German TLAs normally have?), and had advanced knowledge of 9/11. That's not super-implausible. What's really interesting is that he claims the German TLAs have a new round of strong evidence showing that there's a nuke buried in Houston somewhere that's going to be set off on 12/27. He's tied in all sorts of shadowy agencies along with internal politcs causing the info not to be acted upon. Even that would be worthy of ignoring, but he's actually told this story extremely well, naming fairly obscure (but real) names in the intelligence community and so on. The guy's posts have actually made some serious waves on a bunch of boards. Me? I suspect he just pulled all this shit from David Emory's shows and then added some nice google tech searches. WiFi I know was cracked wide open a while back, and that wasn't exactly a secret (it's the reason for 802.11x). BUT, add knowledge of this to the conspiracy theories to the politics and you have a guy who has gone to great lengths to create an excellent hoax. Indeed, one can only imagine that the reason for something like this has to go way beyond mere hoaxing (eg, the guy's a neo-Nazi?) I was hoping someone knew about this and had already hacked this hoax, because so far I haven't seen anything that conclusively debunks this guy. -TD
From: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> To: cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: Re: An interesting thread...Hacking Bluetooth Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:36:58 +0100
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 02:13:52PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
"Here4s another myth: you cannot hack bluetooth from a distance of more than 40 metres. Not true. My technical partner Felix can crack it at over half a kilometre. Which is why he enjoys driving around so much in areas
The official record right now is 1.74 km:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49907 http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_bluebug.html#news
No doubt you can do much better with a large dish, and good alignment, as well as a clear line of sight.
where we know British, American, Israeli or Russian ops are living or working. The great thing about many German cities is that most affordable residences are within metres of the street anyway."
Any comments?
Bluetooth attacks aren't exactly new. No idea what else that tinfoil-hatted person is spouting.
-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:48:01PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Oh no, it gets really interesting. He claims to be an ex-German TLA-type (how many Ls do German TLAs normally have?), and had advanced knowledge of 9/11. That's not super-implausible.
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Me? I suspect he just pulled all this shit from David Emory's shows and then added some nice google tech searches.
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I was hoping someone knew about this and had already hacked this hoax,
If he sounds like Dave Emory, then there isn't much debunking that's required. Food for thought and grounds for further research, Eric
No way it's Dave Emory...they did an IP Traceroute and the guy appears to be in Germany. If you've listened to Emory's shows, you'd know from some of his technical statements that he most likely wouldn't be capable of this. I also simply can't imagine him bothering with something like this. On the other hand, the perpetrator of this hoax knows a decent amount about a variety of subjects (including technical ones). After sleeping on it, I'm starting to think he's actually some kind of German conspiracy 'theorist' who's actually been snooping the WiFi, etc...of some interesting locations. He probably saw a "pattern" and convinced himself he had to save the world. It's a very interesting thread to say the least. Forget whether Paul Wolfowitz has some "Hidden Hand" master plan...it'll probably make Dis-information History one day. -TD
From: Eric Murray <ericm@lne.com> To: cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: Re: An interesting thread...Hacking Bluetooth Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:36:36 -0800
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:48:01PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
Oh no, it gets really interesting. He claims to be an ex-German TLA-type (how many Ls do German TLAs normally have?), and had advanced knowledge of 9/11. That's not super-implausible.
[..]
Me? I suspect he just pulled all this shit from David Emory's shows and then added some nice google tech searches.
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I was hoping someone knew about this and had already hacked this hoax,
If he sounds like Dave Emory, then there isn't much debunking that's required.
Food for thought and grounds for further research,
Eric
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