Re: Why are there so many statists and communists here on this list n
Andy Lopata writes:
I subscribe to this list for a number of reasons. One of them is because of the potential crypto has for destabilizing capitalist/monopolist and state control over information and expression (e.g. Freenet).
Excellent point. Few participants here understand that private attempts to suppress freedom of speech are just as surely defeated by crypto as government efforts. Remember when Tim May a few days ago suggested that newspaper editors who printed false stories should be tortured and killed?
But the journalist and his editors are still alive. When they have been necklaced and lit, we can rest easier.
("Necklacing" refers to the practice, common in South Africa during the turbulent years fighting apartheid, of putting an automobile tire around an opponent's neck, cutting his tongue and throat so that it hung down like a neck tie, and lighting the tire on fire. Tim May endorses this form of torture.) Cryptography can free publishers from intimidation by the likes of May just as much as it protects them from coercion by the government. Tim May and other hate-filled thugs will not be able to use threats of violence to prevent unpopular voices from being heard. The mere fact that no one complains about language like this from May, in a forum which supposedly fights for freedom of speech, is prima facie evidence of the chilling effect of his violent language. Only those of us protected by the shield of anonymity have the freedom to criticize this vile and hateful man.
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Remember when Tim May a few days ago suggested that newspaper editors who printed false stories should be tortured and killed?
How do you know he's serious? He could just be trolling you.
The mere fact that no one complains about language like this from May, in a forum which supposedly fights for freedom of speech, is prima facie evidence of the chilling effect of his violent language. Only those of us protected by the shield of anonymity have the freedom to criticize this vile and hateful man.
Naw, we just use more subtle techniques. Like calling Tim a "soccer mom". Anybody who takes Tim seriously is messed up. Like the feds :-) He's just your run of the mill nut case who's pretending to be a white supremiscist because it gets people riled up. Then again, maybe he really is a texan living in CA. What difference does it make really? If he's scaring you, then you need to visit the wizard and get some courage. It's better to laugh at him. That's what I do :-) And I don't have to worry about him reading any of this, because he "plonked" me a long time ago! So chill out dude, and enjoy the conversation as just ephemeral bits. Now and then even a blind chicken gets a kernel of corn, so it doesn't hurt to skim things. Besides, there's more than enough skill here to nuke Tim off the face of the earth if we *really* have to. It's just more fun to take a hit and laugh tho. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
On Monday 05 May 2003 04:10 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
The mere fact that no one complains about language like this from May, in a forum which supposedly fights for freedom of speech, is prima facie evidence of the chilling effect of his violent language.
So your suggestion is to chill Tim's speech. Yep, that's balanced. TCP already suffers the lack of a sarcasm flag. It appears we also lack a hyperbole flag.
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Roy M.Silvernail wrote:
On Monday 05 May 2003 04:10 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
The mere fact that no one complains about language like this from May, in a forum which supposedly fights for freedom of speech, is prima facie evidence of the chilling effect of his violent language.
So your suggestion is to chill Tim's speech.
Yep, that's balanced.
TCP already suffers the lack of a sarcasm flag. It appears we also lack a hyperbole flag.
Actually Nomen misprepresents. Lots of people complain about Tim. that doesn't justify them in actually doing anything about stopping him from spewing. As much as I find is dribble dribble I'd be one of the first to stand up to stop anyone from limiting his access to the list or his expression of ideas irrespective of his word choice. This is one of the reasons that SSZ remains one of the few completely unmoderated nodes left on the CDR (Hi Igor you fascist fucking pig). Fuck that noise. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------
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