Harmon Seaver wrote... "Oh, another one who either can't read or is just too clueless to get it. Nobody, but nobody, here has suggested outlawing tobacco (although, actually, now that I think of it, maybe it should be until such time all other drugs are freed -- boy, would that be fun to watch all those nic junkies murdering one another to get a fix). If you'd read the thread, what part of "forcing others to smoke" don't you understand? Yeah, even if there's disagreements with some of the anti-public-smoking arguments, the general principals involved shouldn't be too hard to agree with. Basically, "don't try to kill me". It gets easier when one remembers that cigarette smoke was inches away from being declared a "class A carcinogen", but the tobacco companies through much dinero into the debate. That would have put smoke in the same category as asbestos. So now replace a public smoker with a guy playing tossing around a big blob of asbestos, and watch various cypherpunks start taking out their shotguns. -TD "I was in favor of gun control prior to the Patriot Act." -Tyler Durden

From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver@cybershamanix.com> To: jburnes <jburnes@vonu.net> CC: cypherpunks@lne.com Subject: Re: Hippies Banning Smoke Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:02:11 -0500

On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 12:25:43PM -0500, jburnes wrote:

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On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote:

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On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 11:21:05AM -0400, Sunder wrote:

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What part of "Don't impose your ideals on others" do you not understand?

What part of "Don't impose your drug addiction on others" do you not understand? Tobacco junkies are worse than crackheads, especially concerning their irrational behavior.

Actually it may be quite rational.

"Irrational" is what I call junkies so desperate for a fix that they don't care how it affects anyone else.

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A certain percentage of the population may be self-medicating for type 2 ADD (nicotine fills in for acetylcholine that they lack). Some others use tobacco to focus and tune out the really high levels of environmental noise and distraction that are part and parcel of modern society.

Some others may do it just because they like it.

That's their perogative, they just can't force others to indulge along with them.

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Man, cypherpunks has really gone down quite a ways when members are advocating who should be allowed to consume what and when. Next it will be laws to stop people from blowing their noses in restaurants. I say let people go to hell in their own way. Cigarettes or Jack Black or cocaine.

Oh, another one who either can't read or is just too clueless to get it. Nobody, but nobody, here has suggested outlawing tobacco (although, actually, now that I think of it, maybe it should be until such time all other drugs are freed -- boy, would that be fun to watch all those nic junkies murdering one another to get a fix). If you'd read the thread, what part of "forcing others to smoke" don't you understand?

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