http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US over the last five years. The India side story: India produces 3.1 million college graduates a year, which is expected to be doubled by 2010. The number of engineering colleges is slated to grow 50 per cent, to nearly 1,600, over the next four years.
At 11:17 AM 1/6/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms
Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US over the last five years.
Not surprising considering the lack of preparation most get today in school. As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp. chemistry and rocketry, etc.). Now almost all science can only be learned in the classroom. Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made by amateurs. We'll probably never know what new ideas were never thought, or were greatly delayed, because young minds in science were only channeled through the rote of the classroom. steve
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:39:41AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
At 11:17 AM 1/6/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms
Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US over the last five years.
Not surprising considering the lack of preparation most get today in school.
As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp. chemistry and rocketry, etc.).
Now almost all science can only be learned in the classroom.
What's your motivation for saying that?! Are you saying that new science has gone too far ahead of the layman's understanding, that tools are expensive/inaccessible, or that knowledge is being hoarded by a conspiracy of Illuminati scientists? I don't buy it. Nature is still out there to be studied by those willing to look.
Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made by amateurs.
who are alive and well, AFAICT... http://www.sas.org What about: ftp://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/pub/astro/SL9/animations/keck-R.mpg
We'll probably never know what new ideas were never thought, or were greatly delayed, because young minds in science were only channeled through the rote of the classroom.
STOP! We'll DEFINATELY never know. Don't Rummsfeldize.
At 01:05 PM 1/6/2004, BillyGOTO wrote:
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:39:41AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp. chemistry and rocketry, etc.).
Now almost all science can only be learned in the classroom.
What's your motivation for saying that?!
Are you saying that new science has gone too far ahead of the layman's understanding, that tools are expensive/inaccessible, or that knowledge is being hoarded by a conspiracy of Illuminati scientists? I don't buy it. Nature is still out there to be studied by those willing to look.
Just try setting up a well-equipped personal chem. lab w/o inviting a visit from the BATF or FBI. Its next to impossible for minors to purchase chemical reagents, I had no trouble in the 60s. Try building and finding a place to launch an amateur rocket (it can be done, but now only with the greatest of regulatory red tape). I did. Some of my group's rockets achieved heights over 100,000 ft (confirmed by Edward's AFB radar.) Try doing independent research in bacterial or viral genetics and see who shows up on your doorstep.
Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made by amateurs.
who are alive and well, AFAICT...
What about:
ftp://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/pub/astro/SL9/animations/keck-R.mpg
Notice that none of the science avenues presented are the one's I've discussed. steve
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