More Convenient Use of Electronic Gold Payments
I've used E-Gold in the past, and found that the hardest part of the process is buying the stuff to put in your account - setting up an account and paying people with it are both easy, but to buy the gold, you need to find some way to give somebody some other kind of money so they'll give you electronic gold. If you want $10000 worth, or want to transfer physical gold, it's not hard, but if you just want small quantities it was annoying. Jim Davidson's article talked about E-Gold and other currencies, and almost all of them operate under a model in which the gold service transfers gold credits between accounts, but buying the gold credits with other types of money is handled by third-party retailers, and almost none of the retailers will accept credit cards or Paypal without long delays, though they'll happily accept other gold currencies. There's now a much more convenient way to buy online gold - goldage.net. To pay them cash, you do an online form, then go to a bank they use, and fill out a deposit slip with their account number from the form, and hand the bank your cash, and then do another form to say you did it. They use banks in USA, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore and South Africa. Their US banks include Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and three or four others. You don't need to set up an account with them - they mostly do transactional business, though their fees are a bit lower if you're a large frequent customer. The gold currency payment isn't instant - it can take a couple of days for Goldage to see that the deposit was made. They seem to be a small operation, so they're very responsive to email. A couple of months ago, I wanted to pay for some services using an online gold currency, and the merchant accepts E-gold, Pecunix, and several other gold currencies. I didn't want to use E-Gold itself, because there are too many spammers phishing for people's e-gold account information the way they do for credit cards, and I didn't want to have to miss any _real_ email from them mixed in with the spam. Pecunix was one of the gold currencies that my merchant's online payment system Goldcart accepted, and they were easy to use. So I did the online form at Goldage, deposited the cash at the bank, checked Pecunix a couple of days later, and paid the merchant. I think the total fees were about $6-7 between the different service providers, mostly the $5 minimum fee at Goldage, and I may have a buck or two of round-off-error money sitting in Pecunix, but the percentage costs would be lower if I were using it more frequently rather than a one-shot transaction. It worked very well, and was much simpler than a few years ago.
Dear Bill, First, let me thank you for your excellent message. I've copied a few people on bcc and I've included support@goldage.net since your endorsement of their excellent services is one I'm sure they would appreciate.
I've used E-Gold in the past, and found that the hardest part of the process is buying the stuff to put in your account - setting up an account and paying people with it are both easy, but to buy the gold, you need to find some way to give somebody some other kind of money so they'll give you electronic gold.
There are a number of decent exchange providers both foreign and domestic. You mention one that is very good, goldage.net. Others that I like to work with are Cambist.net and EzEz.com. In this latter case, qualified individuals simply write a check or send a money order to EzEz's parent company and get e-gold within hours after the mail arrives. Cambist has a service called MerchantGold which allows merchants to have payments sent in and receive their funds in e-gold or other online gold.
If you want $10000 worth, or want to transfer physical gold, it's not hard, but if you just want small quantities it was annoying.
Everyone's experiences differ. I certainly have had no difficulty getting small quantities of gold, buying or selling.
Jim Davidson's article talked about E-Gold and other currencies, and almost all of them operate under a model in which the gold service transfers gold credits between accounts, but buying the gold credits with other types of money is handled by third-party retailers, and almost none of the retailers will accept credit cards or Paypal without long delays, though they'll happily accept other gold currencies.
There are retailers who accept credit cards. GoldNow.st works with these quite often, though their rates are pretty high and I don't have much else good to say about them. Nobody wants to accept PayPal, even from known customers, because PayPal has had a policy of shutting down exchanger accounts. It has happened so many times that I've lost track. There is an interesting essay on the subject, actually a set of essays, about the "May Scale of Monetary Hardness" which helps to explain why it is so hard to buy gold or silver with credit cards or PayPal. http://www.interestingsoftware.com/mayscale.html PayPal happens to have survived whereas beenz and flooz and other experiments in online payments have failed. I think the relationship between PayPal and eBay has much to do with that survival. I do sometimes wonder if the persistent difficulties of merchants and consumers with PayPal may ultimately threaten its existence. The typical "out" which I'm anticipating is for PayPal to demand that online payment systems be regulated. PayPal would then likely dominate the regulatory agency through the typical revolving door and campaign contribution forms of corruption, in my estimation.
There's now a much more convenient way to buy online gold - goldage.net.
Yes, that's certainly true. They are very convenient.
They seem to be a small operation, so they're very responsive to email.
GoldAge.net was founded by my great friend Parker Bradley who has gone off to New Mexico to run Heron Aerospace. It is now managed by a small and very competent team of friends in New York. One of them, Ragnar, is also responsible for LibertyImpact.com which is a great little newsletter on liberty topics.
I didn't want to use E-Gold itself, because there are too many spammers phishing for people's e-gold account information
True. E-gold also keeps its servers in the USA, so you have to expect that all transaction records are in the hands of government agencies now, or will be as soon as a subpoena is issued. (Great news: the "National Security Letter" has been effectively challenged in the courts.)
Pecunix was one of the gold currencies that my merchant's online payment system Goldcart accepted, and they were easy to use.
Pecunix is truly excellent, I feel. You can set up the Pecunix log-in to require a PGP message test/response. You can also set it so that all your communications from Pecunix about your account activities are received in PGP encrypted form. Their log-in system is a very tough hack, and I've never heard of anyone losing their log-in details or account balance. Also, the automation interface for Pecunix is outstanding. GoldCart, by the way, is from the same programming team that handles Pecunix, PVCSE.com, and Garzoo.com.
So I did the online form at Goldage, deposited the cash at the bank, checked Pecunix a couple of days later, and paid the merchant. I think the total fees were about $6-7 between the different service providers, mostly the $5 minimum fee at Goldage, and I may have a buck or two of round-off-error money sitting in Pecunix, but the percentage costs would be lower if I were using it more frequently rather than a one-shot transaction.
Sure. I think the network of exchangers, of which GoldAge.net is certainly a leader, is making it easier and easier for people to abandon the banking system and handle nearly all their activities with online payment systems. These systems provide enhanced privacy and a great deal of convenience.
It worked very well, and was much simpler than a few years ago.
Indeed. Regards, Jim http://indomitus.net/
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Bill Stewart
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Jim Davidson