Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"
Nice! "You don't need to - just convince them that it is safe against casual snoopers (and to be honest, most "sensitive" email the government couldn't give a damn about, but your neighbours would find very interesting indeed :) As long as you get the desired end result (them using crypto) do you really care what they think?" Hum...can an ISP offer encryption as a service? -TD
From: "Dave Howe" <DaveHowe@gmx.co.uk> To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks@lne.com> Subject: Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:27:00 -0000
steve@njord.org wrote:
On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:27 pm, Tyler Durden wrote:
secure (every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as effectively 'unbreakable' encryption? Reglar folks always believe SOMEBODY'S got the technology to break what scheme you use, so "why bother"). I have a few friends like this....anyone have suggestions for ways to change their minds? Basically they say things like "If you think the government can't break all the encryption schemes that we have, you're nuts." This guy was a math major too, so he understands the principles of crypto. Simpler solution there then is to say "well, good - that means that the Government can still monitor terrorists, but that the minimum-wage employees answering the helpdesk at AOL can't read though your mail while they are bored."
I feel pretty confident that 2048 bit encryption is reasonably safe for now, but how can I convince others, and how safe should I really feel in that opinion anyway? You don't need to - just convince them that it is safe against casual snoopers (and to be honest, most "sensitive" email the government couldn't give a damn about, but your neighbours would find very interesting indeed :) As long as you get the desired end result (them using crypto) do you really care what they think?
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On Monday 27 October 2003 10:53 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
Hum...can an ISP offer encryption as a service?
-TD
Ummm, are we forgetting about the Patriot Act and siblings ? YOU want to do the encryption, not the ISP who can be secretly subpoenaed to hand over the plain text. At least if you get a subpoena you know about it. -- Neil Johnson http://www.njohnsn.com PGP key available on request.
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