Quoting Melvin Carvalho (2013-01-05 02:43:28)

On 29 December 2012 18:30, Petar PetroviD <[1]petar@petrovic.io> wrote:

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I think that we don't HAVE to integrate everything, at least not during the initial development. I think we should focus on building a software stack, and then at some point, we can decide if deep integration is worth the effort. Of course, I am always open for different opinions and ideas.

Yes, let's build FreedomBox 1.0 before we build FreedomBox 2.0. In my mind, FreedomBox 1.0 is *boring* - it contains no new inventions, only oldfashioned Debian mechanisms served user-friendly boxed. That in itself is a *big* milestone for FreedomBox. FreedomBox 2.0 is *interesting* - it contains improved ways of doing stuff classic among geeks, and still does it user-friendly boxed. FreedomBox 3.0 is *exciting* - it contains new inventions that have happened in parallel to our "boring" work, inspired by similar events that triggered the FreedomBox project but without that tough contraint of being user-friendly. Of course when those inventions reach FreedomBox they _are_ provided user-friendly boxed - because that is a fundamental requirement of FreedomBox. We (as in the developers on FreedomBox) HAVE to integrate everything needed for serving privacy-aware functionality in a user-friendly way. If we don't, we don't have a FreedomBox, but some other Debian-related tool or toy.

Yes, I think this is a valid approach.B The web was designed to tie many systems together via the hyperlink.

True that the web is about tying many systems together. FreedomBox, however, is about protecting privacy, and here it does matter crucially to have enough functionality locally so as to not leak privacy when doing said hyperlinking. FreedomBox is also about serving non-geeks, and here it is crucial that all interaction is user-friendly. *ALL* interaction! There is *no* admin, beyond the user herself/himself!

Of course it would be nice if the integrations could provide a seamless user experience, but perhaps that can only happen over time...

If you mean postponing user-friendliness till later, then it sounds to me like you are talking about something (quite exciting and worthwhile to try reach but) different from Freedombox. Regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list Freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE