CDR: [Correction] More blather from the DEMS on FL
While the recount of the FL ballots is going on the Democrats are now complaining about the format of the ballot and threating legal action. It seems that the ballot is "confusing". The complaint is that the double sided ballot contained 2 columns on each side rather than one.
I personally used the FL ballot. It was large, well printed, and quite legible. Anyone who was "confused" by it's format is just too dam stupid to vote.
I am starting to get the feeling that the SC is going to decide this election before it is all over. :(
My mistake, seems that one county in FL used a different ballot than the rest of the state. They used a punch style ballot with one column of punch holes and candidates on both sides: Bush --> 0 0 <-- Buchanan Gore --> 0 0 <-- Nader 0 0 Still seems simple enough to me. IMHO if the courts order a new election in this county then they need to do it for the entire state as the electorial college is winner take all and it would be unjust to allow this one county to determine how these delegates vote. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------
At 10:50 AM -0500 11/8/00, William H. Geiger III wrote:
IMHO if the courts order a new election in this county then they need to do it for the entire state as the electorial college is winner take all and it would be unjust to allow this one county to determine how these delegates vote.
Well, they spent $3 billion on this election, I hear. A new vote in this county would let them spend another billion or two, just for that one county. You are right that if they order a new election in that county--which is not beyond the pale, as the judges are pols--they should order a new election in the entire state. And even that would not be "fair," of course. This may actually be the event which accelerates a move to electronic voting. Which is not an unmitigated good, despite the high "Wired" score it would undoubtedly garner. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote:
At 10:50 AM -0500 11/8/00, William H. Geiger III wrote:
IMHO if the courts order a new election in this county then they need to do it for the entire state as the electorial college is winner take all and it would be unjust to allow this one county to determine how these delegates vote.
Well, they spent $3 billion on this election, I hear.
A new vote in this county would let them spend another billion or two, just for that one county.
You are right that if they order a new election in that county--which is not beyond the pale, as the judges are pols--they should order a new election in the entire state. And even that would not be "fair," of course.
This may actually be the event which accelerates a move to electronic voting. Which is not an unmitigated good, despite the high "Wired" score it would undoubtedly garner.
--Tim May
I find it extremely interesting that this is all going down in the state that was covered in detail in the excellent book 'VoteScam'. This book, written by the Collier brothers, details massive voter fraud in Dade county. When the Colliers discovered the extent of voter fraud they brought it directly to the State Attorney General Janet Reno. Ms. Reno promised action and then conveniently forgot the whole matter. Are bells ringing yet? There are those who would claim that I'm complaining all this because I'm a libertarian partisan. Let me just say that most of the voter fraud in that book was internal to the Democratic party. Claud Pepper's security apparachniks beat up the Collier brother who was running against him when Collier stood up in a democratic meeting to give a speech. The tawdry tale of ballot stuffing, police involvement, and general corruption of the election process is very disheartening. One of the reasons I'm so jaded with regards to politics is that I've seen the force and fraud first hand. When the Libertarians tried to get included in the debates in 1992 we were greeted by jack-booted storm troopers, MP5s and German Shepards in St. Louis. The Colliers were greeted by the Dade county machine. Its all the same. Maybe Ms. Reno still has connections in Dade county. If I were a Republican I'd demand chain of evidence from any so-called 'lost' ballots. jim
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Jim Burnes wrote:
I find it extremely interesting that this is all going down in the state that was covered in detail in the excellent book 'VoteScam'. This book, written by the Collier brothers, details massive voter fraud in Dade county. When the Colliers discovered the extent of voter fraud they brought it directly to the State Attorney General Janet Reno. Ms. Reno promised action and then conveniently forgot the whole matter. Are bells ringing yet?
Ya know, last night, I was thinking, I'm a suspicious bastard for thinking this but... let's count 'em off on imaginary fingers here. One, it's Florida, where there's known precedent for scamming votes and the traditional infrastructure doesn't do much to prevent it. Two, it's the governor's brother running for president. (and the governor, conveniently, is in charge of investigations into vote fraud). Three, the bloke running for president's dad is a former head of a major intelligence agency who's had a lot of experience setting up covert operations and has the personal wealth needed to fund his own team of agents. Four, Daddy probably knows where a lot of bodies are buried -- George Sr. prolly has no end of ammo for playing hardball with US intel services and others who might investigate vote fraud - particularly Ms. Janet Reno. Five, Daddy also happens to be an ex-president of the US, with lots and lots of connections and favors owed. Which also means, in particular, that he is a former head of all of the US armed forces. Six (hmm, I must be polydactyl), the ballots can continue to come in by mail from overseas for ten days - mostly from places controlled by US armed forces - provided they have postmarks with an appropriate date - and there's no protocol to make sure that postmarks aren't getting backdated. Now, I don't *know* that anything large and organized in the way of vote-stealing is going on -- but goodness, if you wanna talk about a full complement of opportunities and fodder for conspiracy theorists, there's just no end of angles, is there?
Maybe Ms. Reno still has connections in Dade county. If I were a Republican I'd demand chain of evidence from any so-called 'lost' ballots.
Um, ditto if you were a Democrat, I'm thinkin'. Bear
im Burnes wrote:
Maybe Ms. Reno still has connections in Dade county. If I were a Republican I'd demand chain of evidence from any so-called 'lost' ballots.
OTOH, it's gwbush's brother runs the state, eh? 8-) And didn't the exit polls say Gore won?
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