On 12/19/2011 08:59 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:02:37 -0600 Joe Btfsplk wrote:

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Under current US & other nations' laws, it's possible that gov'ts have already forced developers of any software - incl. Tor - to put in backdoors. And in fact, say it's illegal for the devs of any software to outright disclose such.

https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor. If we're forced to put one in someday, we'll make it obvious and loud that it is so. The world will be in a sad state if this comes true. A forced backdoor in Tor will be the least of your problems.

No Backdoors. No bugdoors. No so-called "lawful interception" systems. As another person working on Tor - I'll be more direct and less ambiguous: If anyone ever even *tries* to force us to insert a backdoor, we'd tell the world. We won't every compromise the security of Tor and we will never insert a backdoor. Never. We must reject these so-called "compromises" for so-called "lawful interception" and we must fight against their deployment everywhere. They are harmful to everyone - including those that use them legitimately - just ask the Greek phone operator who was suicided after the Great Greek Vodafone Backdoor was found.

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I don't know that it has happened w/ Tor, but it certainly has in other cases. If you want true anonymity, don't use the internet,

I parse this as the 'abstinence model of Internets'. It doesn't work for sex education, addictive substances, and it's unlikely to work for anyone in a modern society. We need a better answer than 'all or nothing'. We're trying to make Tor one of these better answers.

Indeed. The abstinence model is a punt. That model claims that the world exists outside of the internet and for most people it does not. It's also a claim that the "non-internet" world offers "true anonymity" and it does not. All the best, Jacob _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE