Phil Karn suggests that the ability for potential recipients to block anonymous mail is important. I agree. If you don't mind a few comments from someone who has been lurking until now . . . If, as Tim May says, the cyphperpunks anonymous remailers have been mentioned more widely, it may be time for the cypherpunks to 'go public'. I suspect, from the traffic on news.admin.policy (which I just read a bunch of) that things would have been less acrimonious if Julf had chosen to respond to admin complaints and been seen to be clearly working toward a mutually acceptible solution. I understand (I think) why he chose not to, but if news.admin.policy starts talking about cypherpunk remailers, then, based on what we learned from Julf's experience (thanks Julf, and sorry it turned out the way it did, and happy it wasn't worse) I don't think we can afford to remain silent. I suspect that even if Julf had been participating in that discussion he still would have been shut down, but it might have taken longer, and people might (/might/) understand his/our position better. I suggest we be proactive about 'anonymous call blocking', and prepare information sheets and code to make it easy for people who choose to do so to block anonymous mail/postings, and at the appropriate time publish these widely. Perhaps a member with an effective writing style (Tim?) could prepare a 'position paper' explaining our position. Of course, talk of Anarchy would be a little much, so the problem would be what to include . . . An argument that might appeal to the control freaks is that anonymous remailers are inevitable, and it would be better to codify it and provide mechanisms for 'anonymous message blocking' than to have to deal with it anew each time someone new starts up an anonymous service. The biggest problem I see is that a number of Julf's supporters pointed to the fact that penet anonymous users could be sent email, just like a regular net id, and had a sysadmin who could block them for bad behaviour, just like a regular net id. Cypherpunk remailers do away with that, and that could be a hard sell. The danger of asking news.admin.policy in on a standardization discussion is that they could decide this level of 'accountability' was required and get really nasty about anything else. I hope others have some better ideas about how to prepare for what comes next. The one clear thing is that we have a lot to learn from Julf's experience. Anyone interested in the future of anonymity on the net who has not read through some of the postings on news.admin.policy should do so. -- david david@staff.udc.upenn.edu