If you're serious, send it. We own a law firm. Furthermore, a lot of the cases we handle are pro bono, especially when children are involved. We would help in any way we can. What you say doesn't surprise me. !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
People don't seem to understand what free speech is all about. You might be interested in knowing Jodi that Hitlers Germany had one of the most progressive free speech policies in the world. You could say whatever you wanted to say, provided it was authorized by the state.
I don't support free speech because it's the fashionable thing to do. Free speech is the basic right of all. The content of that right is irrelevant.
Now - you spending alot of time on the sex angle here. I don't think you understand what freedom of speech means. If I were to tell you that I had personal knowledge of the rape by canadian politicians and senior bureacrats of young boys from fort lauderdale during the 60, 70, 80's - and that these rapes and further investigation of those who abuse these children is being intentionally suppressed by senior police officers and law officers in Canada - how would you react to this?
Now here's the kicker. I have all of that knowledge and I am prevented by court order from exposing any of these people. You can thank Judge William Browne of the Ontario Court for that.
It's people like you who are willing to deny others rights who end up taking away my rights to expose these political child molesters.
Would you like to follow up with the investigating officer in fort lauderdale and verify this? You talk a big talk Jodi - now do you have the passion to walk the walk and help these former kids. Just let me know and I will phone someone who will forward you a URL. We don't want to break our court order you understand ;-)
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay. Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting intercourse with a little boy should be protected speech, do you?
Jay Holovacs wrote:
You miss the point... I have never read their site, I do not intend to. That is immaterial.
I am addressing the other issue, that your crowd too is protected by free speech rights even though there are plenty who would like to hold you responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
jay
----- Original Message ----- From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm@attglobal.net> To: Jay Holovacs <holovacs@idt.net> Cc: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>; Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>; <fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu>; <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Jay Holovacs wrote:
You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT
the
same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence to children)
Oh, please. Anal sex with an eight year old child is not violent?
Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speech protects you and your allies from being prosecuted each time a gay is murdered or an abortion clinic bombed.
jay
----- Original Message ----- From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm@attglobal.net> To: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com> Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>;
<fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu>;
<cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment, Liz. I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel differently.
-- "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy R.A.M.P.-Restore America's Moral Pride
Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306 TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280
-- "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy R.A.M.P.-Restore Americas Moral Pride
Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306 TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280
-- "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy R.A.M.P.-Restore Americas Moral Pride Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306 TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280