While at the same time quoting from a book doesn't mean anything either. It shows that a) you can quote from a book, and b) you have no ideas of your own. If you have something valuable to say, say it. Otherwise, let's not waste time over who can read a book, who has read a specific book, or who can quote from a book. BTW: Incase you haven't been clued, arguing with Jim Choate is like arguing with a broken clock. It always returns 12:30, which twice a day is the right time, but there's no real intelligence there. Just an automaton from a realm called Choate', where physics don't follow the same laws as here, everyone uses Plan9, people earn money based on their needs, not their ability, logic is based on whatever Choate says it is, and so on. Most people, myself included have set bits emminating from that realm to find their way to the bit bucket. As for your points of view, my take is this: There ought to be a law to stop people who say "there ought to be a law." Making laws is the job of congress. Cypherpunks (supposedly) write code. Want to push laws? Email, fax, mail, or otherwise spam (oh the irony!) your congresscritter, not "us." ("Us" is in quotes because cypherpunks have no official party line, "we" don't speak for each other. It's just a mailing list, and it's "members" hold varying ideals, but a general trend of consensus is that more laws are evil, and that freedom to use strong crypto is generally a good thing. This is only my view of what cypherpunks is about, YMMV.) ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 mindfuq@comcast.net wrote:
* Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com> [2003-08-02 23:06]:
This is a cop out.
No, you asked for an explanation. The book is an excellent one. Just another example of you wanting somebody else to do it for you.
Right, the book may be an explanation of law and democracy- no one is arguing that, but you're statement is a cop out, because you're not willing to back your statements with a supporting arguement. "Go read a book" fails as a supporting argument because it lacks the connection you're trying to draw with your statement.