At 10:41 AM 8/31/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
5. At physical Cypherpunks meetings, by all means talk about politics, uses of technology, even "anarchic" things. But avoid being drawn into debates about what to do to specific politicians, judges, etc.. (Attendees at Bay Area meetings will know that for 9 years now we have had occasional heated discussions of these things, but we have avoided the kind of "people's tribunal" crap that helped get Bell into trouble.)
Maybe *that's* the reason for holding meatings at the SFPD. To keep everyone from naming future corpses.
However, a leader of Aryan Nation, for example, calling for his followers to kill Jews might cross the line ("incitement"). Their have been a few civil actions where the organization or its leaders were held liable for damages caused by followers who were incited to _specific_ actions.
So kill David Berg might be incitement? Hmm, he was a public figure. But "kill all Jews" could easily be justified on religious grounds -fatwas are protected speech.
(An interesting question is whether any of the more vocal Cypherpunks could be held liable, civilly or criminally, for actions by "followers."
The ability of a persecutor [sic] to conjure up a conspiracy (complete with hip name) could be most interesting.
I doubt it, given the situation. And the fact that there are no formal leaders, no structure, no real organization, helps.
"While acknowledging himself an Anarchist, he does not state to what branch of the organization he belongs" ---Discussing Leon Czolgosz' shooting of President William McKinley
After about 10 minutes of staring me down, they told me to walk to the closest point that was off campus and not to return. I asked about my car. "If you are seen on campus, you will be arrested. You can get your car tomorrow." (Great, since I lived 60 miles away.)
A "fuck you" would have been appropriate, but not in your rational self-interest.
By the way, the SS also demanded that I give them my name and show them my driver's license. I refused,
Nice. so at least they never got my name
entered into the Master Data Bank of Presidential Threateners.
Yeah right :-)
I brought along my COMSEC (later, Starian) 3DES phone unit, to illustrate to the class some hardware.
Did you plan to call someone while running some kind of sniffer, or could the box have been empty? :-) The problem of the modern industrial photographer: all chips look the same.
She said that students and faculty had all been dealing with the effects of Chelsea's arrival as a student and that the law school would be quite happy to handle my case if the SS or Stanford Sheriff's Dept. nabbed me.
Sweet.